Why isn't Pac fighting Bradley at his strongest/most proven weight (140)?

[PlayerKiller]

Did you even know Bradley fought above 147 in the ams? Gosh.

[The Gambler1981]

I agreed with everything except the bold.

Unless you're fighting at heavyweight, those 7 pounds makes a huge difference in the lower weights.

For example, remember when Castillo came in a few pounds over weight against Corrales and KO'd him in like 4 rounds?

Remember when Gatti came in a few pounds over weight against Gamache and not only ended up retiring Gamache, but he gave him brain damage as well.

Point is, those few pounds in the lower weights matter. It doesn't stop mattering until you hit 205 or so.

Regarding Manny's status as a welter, I believe an OST-free Manny is in fact a beast who hits extremely hard at 147 (regardless of the JMM-Pac 3 outcome). I'm not ashamed to say it. When you combine his speed and the power generated from his legs, I've seen Manny do some serious damage at 147.

Even though Bradley and Pac are the same size, the speed and power generated by Manny at 147 is far greater. So to answer your question, yes Manny is a monster welter.

Losing weight is more meaningful than putting on weight. Losing 1 pound can mean a lot if that 1 pound is beyond your limit, going up a few pounds is just less work cutting. If a guy is moving up to fight a freak then yea it matters but said freak isn't really a normal guy at a weightclass.

If a guy doesn't drain and the other guy does, that is more of a physical advantage than the actual weight.



Manny is in no way a monster welter he isn't close to Hearns, Tito, Forrest, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson interms to the physical part of the division. Manny is a good fighter and he can be successful inspite of his physical limitations but a monster he is not.

[BoxingGenius27]

Did you even know Bradley fought above 147 in the ams? Gosh.

What weight did Rocky Balboa fight at in the ametuers?

Who goes around asking what weight someone fought at in the ametuers anyway?

I honestly don't care what weight "anyone" fought at in the ameteurs. The pros is what matters.

You sound like Iverson giving his speech about "practice".

[ThePunchingBag]

The simple answer?

Pac doesn't like to cut weight.

Now that he's A-side and calling the shots, he feels he doesn't have to.

Has very little to do if at all with taking Bradley out of his comfort zone.

[PlayerKiller]

What weight did Rocky Balboa fight at in the ametuers?

Who goes around asking what weight someone fought at in the ametuers anyway?

I honestly don't care what weight "anyone" fought at in the ameteurs. The pros is what matters.

You sound like Iverson giving his speech about "practice".

You're trying to look into it too much son, as if Bradley will be totally struggling because he has to touch 147 or something.

He can be what ever the *** weight he wants, it will not adversely affect him.

Manny is the B side so why the *** would he go down? He was challenged.

Don't be so ******.

Must be new to boxing or something.

The and weight obviously gave an indication wright isn't an issue going up fool.

[BoxingGenius27]

Losing weight is more meaningful than putting on weight. Losing 1 pound can mean a lot if that 1 pound is beyond your limit, going up a few pounds is just less work cutting. If a guy is moving up to fight a freak then yea it matters but said freak isn't really a normal guy at a weightclass.

If a guy doesn't drain and the other guy does, that is more of a physical advantage than the actual weight. .

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but a fighter that puts on weight and is bloated and doesn't have the same power he would normally have due to bone structure is at just as much of a disadvantage as someone being weight drained, imo.

Manny is in no way a monster welter he isn't close to Hearns, Tito, Forrest, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson interms to the physical part of the division. Manny is a good fighter and he can be successful inspite of his physical limitations but a monster he is not.

When you compare him to HOF'ers who made their name at 147, of course he's not a beast. If you put it like that, damn near no ones a beast.

We're talking about comparing Manny to average 147 lb'ers.

If you take an OST-free Manny and look at who he's dropped and stopped at 147, you would know that he hits pretty hard. I know some will say he fought a bunch of over the hill guys at 147, but I still think that his speed combined with his power makes him very dangerous.

[Rome-By-Ko]

and who did he debut against?

Collazo if I'm not mistaken,I think Collazo is a better boxer,but not known for his power...Abregu is,and Bradley went toe to toe with him(when he clearly did not have to)..So what one lacks in one area the other makes up for it,Collazo no power,Abregu power puncher..But like I said before,Bradley looked better then Hatton,and at one point Hatton was seriously hurt by Collazo(a none puncher)Bradley dominated Abregu who did not win a rd..

[Jam Jars]

Collazo if I'm not mistaken,I think Collazo is a better boxer,but not known for his power...Abregu is,and Bradley went toe to toe with him(when he clearly did not have to)..So what one lacks in one area the other makes up for it,Collazo no power,Abregu power puncher..But like I said before,Bradley looked better then Hatton,and at one point Hatton was seriously hurt by Collazo(a none puncher)Bradley dominated Abregu who did not win a rd..

Don't let KO records fool you. Prescott beat Khan and had a great KO record over 90% i believe through beating bums before. He now has 2 ko's in his last 9 fights.

[The Gambler1981]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but a fighter that puts on weight and is bloated and doesn't have the same power he would normally have due to bone structure is at just as much of a disadvantage as someone being weight drained, imo.






When you compare him to HOF'ers who made their name at 147, of course he's not a beast. If you put it like that, damn near no ones a beast.

We're talking about comparing Manny to average 147 lb'ers.

If you take an OST-free Manny and look at who he's dropped and stopped at 147, you would know that he hits pretty hard. I know some will say he fought a bunch of over the hill guys at 147, but I still think that his speed combined with his power makes him very dangerous.

I disagree completely in regards to this fight, sure a guy suffers moving up in weight because they end up facing physically larger men. In this move up Manny is not physically larger than Bradley not by any real margin, so I don't see any reason to really talk about it. To me it is a non issue, just like the JMM fight Manny is not larger than JMM by any margin so where the fight took place had nothing to do with what would happen.

If you want to look it up, I said that before the JMM fight also.

I think Manny beats Bradley but size has nothing to do with it, he is just the superior fighter.

About moster welters I am talking physical freaks that make you ask how is that guy a 147 pounder. Manny is not of that ilk, not close. He is a fine fighter that can do well at 147 but he is not some crazy physical specimin at the class.

[BoxingGenius27]

The simple answer?

Pac doesn't like to cut weight.

Now that he's A-side and calling the shots, he feels he doesn't have to.

Has very little to do if at all with taking Bradley out of his comfort zone.

because rightnow "pac is pac" and "bradley is bradley" is the natural way the lesser accomplished fighter to step up and challenge the more accomplished fighter.
you dont know about this law????

I can understand the argument of some saying Bradley is trying to be a go-getter. He's not asking for the fame and recognition, he's trying to take the fame and recognition.

If this is the case, then by all means Bradley, chase your dream.

I just wanted to make sure that Bradley didn't try to get a fight at 140 and Team Pac "MADE" him move up to 147.

Kind of like when Cotto asked to fight at 147, but was made to fight at 145.

If that's not the case, then I stand corrected.