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    #51
    Originally posted by 2501 View Post
    Did you complain when Mayweather fought Hatton at 147? How bout when he fought Marquez at "144"?
    Mayweather did not fight Hatton at 147 , he fought him weighing 152 and Ricky was 153 ,,, you boys need to be more precise in what you are saying !

    And what weight was Ricky fighting Kosta at , low and behold 153 , well how about that sunshine !

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      #52
      Originally posted by The Gambler1981 View Post
      I disagree completely in regards to this fight, sure a guy suffers moving up in weight because they end up facing physically larger men. In this move up Manny is not physically larger than Bradley not by any real margin, so I don't see any reason to really talk about it. To me it is a non issue, just like the JMM fight Manny is not larger than JMM by any margin so where the fight took place had nothing to do with what would happen.

      If you want to look it up, I said that before the JMM fight also.

      I think Manny beats Bradley but size has nothing to do with it, he is just the superior fighter.

      About moster welters I am talking physical freaks that make you ask how is that guy a 147 pounder. Manny is not of that ilk, not close. He is a fine fighter that can do well at 147 but he is not some crazy physical specimin at the class.
      I very much agree with this post.

      I think you misunderstood my explanation about Pac's size. Yes, he and Bradley are the same size, but Pac is very much the more powerful fighter. You don't have to be "bigger" in order to be the more powerful fighter, if that makes sense.

      I understand your stance about what your definition of "freak" was at 147. I understand that and agree. But I was looking at monster from a "very fast/powerful puncher" POV.

      I understand where you're coming from, I hope you understand my point.

      Regarding your point about JMM, I think JMM is a very special case. JMM didn't wake up one morning and be able to compete with Pac at 147. JMM went through 24 rounds of hell to be able to have that continuity on how to fight Pac in that 3rd fight. Bradley doesn't have that same continuity and will be in for a rude awakening.

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        #53
        Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post

        I just wanted to make sure that Bradley didn't try to get a fight at 140 and Team Pac "MADE" him move up to 147.
        I'm pretty sure they just offered him the fight at 147 and he accepted.

        I haven't heard the Bradley camp campaign to have the fight at 140 or anything of the sort.

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          #54
          Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
          I hear Pac can barely make 147 because he's so small, so why doesn't he fight Bradley at 140, which would be both fighters strongest weight?

          It just seems like Pac is trying to put Bradley at a disadvantage before they even step in the ring. I've heard other posters say that Pac tries to do this, but I've never really gave it much attention.

          But when it comes to Bradley, I just don't see why Pac feels the need to bring him up in weight when that would obviously put Bradley at a disadvantage before they even enter the ring.

          Bradley has had 1 fight at 147 against Abregu, which ended up being at UD. Nothing to scream and shout about.

          I understand this is a fight and the whole object is to beat your opponent, but I don't think Pac has to win this way. IMO, he can beat Bradley at 140, but why try to beat him this way before the fight even starts. It's just not necessary.
          If you are complaining why Pac doesnt fight Bradley at 140 then closed your eyes when Floyd fought Hatton at 147 and Marquez at 144 then he came overweight. You are a ****head.
          Last edited by straightleft; 03-13-2012, 11:30 PM.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Own3d View Post
            Don't let KO records fool you. Prescott beat Khan and had a great KO record over 90% i believe through beating bums before. He now has 2 ko's in his last 9 fights.
            You miss the point,he has power(something that Pac also has)and Bradley took it well..Let's not forget Prescott did beat Khan in a rd,that counts for something...He is dangerous,no matter how many loses or KO's he had in his last few fights..

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              #56
              I'd prefer to see Pac fight Bradley and Floyd at 140, but since Floyd couldn't even make 144, that's highly unlikely. So hanging around at 147 while he waits for Floyd to grow a pair seems reasonable.

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                #57
                Originally posted by BoxingGenius27 View Post
                I very much agree with this post.

                I think you misunderstood my explanation about Pac's size. Yes, he and Bradley are the same size, but Pac is very much the more powerful fighter. You don't have to be "bigger" in order to be the more powerful fighter, if that makes sense.

                I understand your stance about what your definition of "freak" was at 147. I understand that and agree. But I was looking at monster from a "very fast/powerful puncher" POV.

                I understand where you're coming from, I hope you understand my point.

                Regarding your point about JMM, I think JMM is a very special case. JMM didn't wake up one morning and be able to compete with Pac at 147. JMM went through 24 rounds of hell to be able to have that continuity on how to fight Pac in that 3rd fight. Bradley doesn't have that same continuity and will be in for a rude awakening.
                Yea, I understand your point to me Manny is the superior fighter, he can't help being more powerful or just out and out better than Bradley. If two guys are close to the same size and one is more powerful, them the breaks sucks for the less powerful guy, he better hope he can handle it or in some other way do something about it.

                JMM is a special case, but people before that fight were saying JMM wouldn't be able to handle Manny specifically because of weight class. Weight class played no part, I think Manny will do better against Bradley because he is just the superior man not because the fight took place at 147 instead of 140.

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                  #58
                  If they fought at 140lb, Bradley would have to cut more weight than Manny to reach that weight, so how in the world is Bradley at a disadvantage.

                  Also, what does Manny have to gain by fighting Bradley at 140lbs.

                  I hate when people ask ****** @ss questions like the TS in this thread.

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                    #59
                    pac always needs some type of advantage over his opponents, even freddie roach said it was crucial.

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                      #60
                      While were at it, since Bradley walks around at 160lb plus......why doesn't Manny fight him at MW?

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