Why isn't Pac fighting Bradley at his strongest/most proven weight (140)?

[BoxingGenius27]

There seems to be some confusion here.
Your main argument at the start of this thread is that Manny should have faced Bradley at 140. At 147 you are implying that Pac is again trying to get an edge. Yet you accept that at 140 Bradley would be cutting far more lbs than Pac but would still come in heavier than Pac at fight night as Bradley had done in his previous fights at 140.

If at 147, Bradley would be cutting less lbs. from his walking weight of 160+ lbs., then its logical to assume that at fight night at 147 he will weigh more than his usual weight at 140.

Then you used the example of Gatti and Castillo to point out that 7 lbs make a huge difference at the lower weights. Following your own logic, at 147 Bradley could be coming in at around 160 which makes his weight difference over Pac, who barely makes 147, a huge advantage.

There seems to be some inconsistencies in your presentation. Wouldn't you agree?

No, there's no inconsistencies; here's why.

Bradley has proven that he's a better fighter at 140 than 147.

Let's look at Bradley's accomplishments at 140:

1. Peterson
2. Alexander
3. Holt
4. Witter

Let's look at Bradley's accomplishment's at 147:

1. Abregu

Just because Bradley walks around at 160, doesn't necessarily mean that he's stronger at 147 than 140. Again, if I've heard reports of Bradley struggling to make weight like Chavez Jr was, that's one thing. But I have yet to see these reports. Put simply, fighters determine what their fighting weight is based on bone density/structure, not walking around weight. Does that make sense?

In other words, just because a fighter walks around at 190 lbs, that doesn't necessarily mean that he should be fighting at 175. That just means that he should watch his weight in-between fights; that's all.

Anyway, back to the topic.

I think Manny can easily fight anywhere from 140-154. 4 years ago, Manny cut weight from 152 to make the 147lb limit against DLH. Yes, I said it, he cut weight to get to 147. Regarding whether or not Bradley would be "bigger" than Pac at 147 come fight night, remains to be seen. I'm not sure how much weight Bradley will gain on fight night. That's not even the point. The point is Bradley is more proven at 140, as I've shown you, than 147.

On top of that, we've learned that fight night weight doesn't make that much of a difference depending on each fighter's skill set. The point I made about Gamache and Gatti was directed at a poster who felt that there's no difference between fighting at 140 and 147. I made that point to show there's a difference in the punch affect from a bigger fighter in the lower weights, even though it can still be overcame by skill. That doesn't erase the fact that there's a still a difference.

I think you're assuming that just because Bradley walks around at 160, it's impossible that he will be at a disadvantage at 147 because of this supposed fight night weight. That's not always the case, nor is it the point that I was making. The point is if you compare Bradley's accomplishments at 140 vs 147, you'll see a distinct difference.

[madsweeney]

I think Manny can easily fight anywhere from 140-154. 4 years ago, Manny cut weight from 152 to make the 147lb limit against DLH. Yes, I said it, he cut weight to get to 147. Regarding whether or not Bradley would be "bigger" than Pac at 147 come fight night, remains to be seen. I'm not sure how much weight Bradley will gain on fight night. That's not even the point. The point is Bradley is more proven at 140, as I've shown you, than 147.

On top of that, we've learned that fight night weight doesn't make that much of a difference depending on each fighter's skill set. The point I made about Gamache and Gatti was directed at a poster who felt that there's no difference between fighting at 140 and 147. I made that point to show there's a difference in the punch affect from a bigger fighter in the lower weights, even though it can still be overcame by skill. That doesn't erase the fact that there's a still a difference.

I think you're assuming that just because Bradley walks around at 160, it's impossible that he will be at a disadvantage at 147 because of this supposed fight night weight. That's not always the case, nor is it the point that I was making. The point is if you compare Bradley's accomplishments at 140 vs 147, you'll see a distinct difference.

Wait, wtf are you saying? Pac cut from 152?!? You mean his walking around weight? He weighed in for the DLH fight @ 142, where you getting 152 from? Cutting from 152 < cutting from 160, Bradley would cut more weight if the fight is at 147 or 140, he's just naturally a little heavier.

Yes, Bradley's accomplishments are at 140, there's no dis*****g that but how can you really argue that he will be at a disadvantage in having to cut less weight than he normally does? Its not like Manny is bigger than him.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Do you think Pac should've fought Bradley at 140 when Bradley was the #1 challenger?

I would have love to see it,but boxing is a business...Can't falt Pac for going for the bigger money,and let's be honest more accomplish fighters at the time...

[BoxingGenius27]

Wait, wtf are you saying? Pac cut from 152?!? You mean his walking around weight? He weighed in for the DLH fight @ 142, where you getting 152 from? Cutting from 152 < cutting from 160, Bradley would cut more weight if the fight is at 147 or 140, he's just naturally a little heavier.

Yes, Bradley's accomplishments are at 140, there's no dis*****g that but how can you really argue that he will be at a disadvantage in having to cut less weight than he normally does? Its not like Manny is bigger than him.

Yes, I'm saying that I read in an article, Pac was walking around at 152 before he began training for DLH. He then cut down to 142 for weigh-ins, which I believe he came in at 146 for fight night.

The point I was making is if Pac's walking around weight was 152 lb's 4 year's ago, imagine where it could possibly be at now if he disregarded his weight during his down time of not fighting.

[madsweeney]

Yes, I'm saying that I read in an article, Pac was walking around at 152 before he began training for DLH. He then cut down to 142 for weigh-ins, which I believe he came in at 146 for fight night.

The point I was making is if Pac's walking around weight was 152 lb's 4 year's ago, imagine where it could possibly be at now if he disregarded his weight during his down time of not fighting.

Because fighters fight at their walking around weight, right?!?

[BoxingGenius27]

Yes, Bradley's accomplishments are at 140, there's no dis*****g that but how can you really argue that he will be at a disadvantage in having to cut less weight than he normally does? Its not like Manny is bigger than him.

You just answered your own question. I think Bradley will be at a disadvantage at 147 because just because his walk around weight is bigger than Pac's, that doesn't necessarily mean that 147 is his strongest weight. Just look at Hatton.

Yes, Bradley and Pac are the same physical size, but Pac is obviously the more stronger/powerful fighter at 147.

Or do you think that Pac isn't the stronger more powerful puncher at 147 despite Bradley and Pac being the same size?

[BoxingGenius27]

Because fighters fight at their walking around weight, right?!?

Great, so you agree that Pac doesn't fight at his walk around weight at 147; he probably cuts.

That means all the "Pac's so small" comments can go out the window.

[BoxingGenius27]

Because fighters fight at their walking around weight, right?!?

You'll be suprised. I can show you a thread right now where one guy was telling me it's perfectly fine/normal to fight at your walking around weight; which is crazy. I couldn't have disagreed more.

[Ko King 212]

How would you know this without seeing umm fight???Pull Floyds d!ck out ya azz guy jeez,everything is not a knock on Floyd..BTW Callazo accomplish the same things as Abregu,jack *****t...Remember that before you go trying to put Callazo in a different class...

Homie you out your f-ckin mind to think Abregu was on callazo level when hatton fought him.

[tatangb45]

No, there's no inconsistencies; here's why.

Bradley has proven that he's a better fighter at 140 than 147.

Let's look at Bradley's accomplishments at 140:

1. Peterson
2. Alexander
3. Holt
4. Witter

Let's look at Bradley's accomplishment's at 147:

1. Abregu

Just because Bradley walks around at 160, doesn't necessarily mean that he's stronger at 147 than 140. Again, if I've heard reports of Bradley struggling to make weight like Chavez Jr was, that's one thing. But I have yet to see these reports. Put simply, fighters determine what their fighting weight is based on bone density/structure, not walking around weight. Does that make sense?

In other words, just because a fighter walks around at 190 lbs, that doesn't necessarily mean that he should be fighting at 175. That just means that he should watch his weight in-between fights; that's all.

Anyway, back to the topic.

I think Manny can easily fight anywhere from 140-154. 4 years ago, Manny cut weight from 152 to make the 147lb limit against DLH. Yes, I said it, he cut weight to get to 147. Regarding whether or not Bradley would be "bigger" than Pac at 147 come fight night, remains to be seen. I'm not sure how much weight Bradley will gain on fight night. That's not even the point. The point is Bradley is more proven at 140, as I've shown you, than 147.

On top of that, we've learned that fight night weight doesn't make that much of a difference depending on each fighter's skill set. The point I made about Gamache and Gatti was directed at a poster who felt that there's no difference between fighting at 140 and 147. I made that point to show there's a difference in the punch affect from a bigger fighter in the lower weights, even though it can still be overcame by skill. That doesn't erase the fact that there's a still a difference.

I think you're assuming that just because Bradley walks around at 160, it's impossible that he will be at a disadvantage at 147 because of this supposed fight night weight. That's not always the case, nor is it the point that I was making. The point is if you compare Bradley's accomplishments at 140 vs 147, you'll see a distinct difference.

Bradley having a better record at 140 is mainly because of the usual practice of the majority of boxers to drain themselves to fight at a lower division to gain an advantage. At 147 Bradley has to face bigger fighters who also cut to make weight.

However with Pac, that is not the case. There will not be any reduction in Bradley's fighting abilities since he can come in at his usual fight night weight, which is still heavier than Pac's fight night weight. Bradley will not be in anyway bloated and slow come fight night. He will be the same as he has been at 140. In fact, for this fight at 147, it will be more to Bradley's advantage since he does not have to drain as much anymore.