Why isn't Pac fighting Bradley at his strongest/most proven weight (140)?

[IronDanHamza]

But I was...I agree with you in my response to you that Bradley would have a hard time if he fought Collazo so what more did you want from me??I stand by what I said,neither of umm accomplish jack shh!t imo..Your bringing up fights in which Collazo lost to try to prove a point,don't you see that as being a lil twisted/azz backwards??

Maybe if he lost them clearly, yes.

If I was saying "He fought Mosley therefore he's better". Then yes, that would be "azz backwards" as you put it.

But the fact he arguably beat Top fighters?

No, of course I don't.

Because it's something Abregu has NEVER done. He's never even fought an above average fighter when he fought Bradley.

Collazo not only fought them, gave them fits, but arguably beat them. To a degree were most felt he won. Twice.

Hence, again, why he's above Abregu.

Does this mean Collazo beats him? Not necessarily.

But it makes him the more proven fighter, obviously.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I have never said that's why he would win.

I have never said he has "accomplished anything great"

These are all in your head just like the idea of Abregu being a Top 10 WW when Bradley fought him.

I don't consider Collazo to have accomplished great feats.

But, he has proved he is a good fighter, and can hang at the world class level. And argubaly beat the Top fighters in his division and on the P4P list.

To a state where, most people considering him winning both of the fights being referred to.

Again, that alone puts him above Abregu.

Guess are convo is over then..You keep rating the arguable wins..

[IronDanHamza]

Guess are convo is over then..You keep rating the arguable wins..

If you can't comprehend the idea that Collazo is ahead of Abregu because he argubaly beat world class fighters then I don't know what to say.

But, ok, I'll keep doing that.

You keep believing that Abregu was a Top 10 WW when Bradley fought him.

[Elotero]

I'll tell you like I told Gambler.

Pac's size has never been the question, since Pac and Bradley are practically the same size. When I say Pac is a strong WW, I'm referring to Pac's punching power. Shane Mosley, who's been in the ring with everyone and their mama, even thinks Pac's one of the hardest puncher's he's ever faced at 147. Margarito and Cotto agree.

This is what I mean by Pac being so much stronger at 147; it has nothing to do with weight or size.

That's like saying a body builder or power lifter can fight. Fight strong is different than a strong fighter; meaning just because a guy is weight room big or has weight room size, this doens't necessarily mean that he will be strong in a fight.

An example of this would be Mayweather-Mosley. Mosley walks around heavier and Mosley bench presses 300+ pounds. I'm not sure if Mayweather benches half that, but Mayweather was so much physically stronger than Mosley. This is what I mean by fight strong.

This is what Pac is; Bradley hasn't proven to have this same type of strength at 147.

Make sense?

I get what your saying.

Pac has tested the waters and Bradley really hasnt other than the Abregu fight.

But JMM looked like **** in his first fight @ WW. His second fight @ WW IMO he beat Manny.

Manny hasnt been looking all that great and is getting older.

Supposedly he was going to be so fast and strong and have all this new artillery but it didnt show.

The only knock on Bradley is his inactivity but other than that he is a winner and will fight that way.

Should be a great fight as long as it doesnt get stopped on cuts.

[BoxingGenius27]

I get what your saying.

Pac has tested the waters and Bradley really hasnt other than the Abregu fight.

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Yes, this is what I'm saying.

But JMM looked like **** in his first fight @ WW. His second fight @ WW IMO he beat Manny.

Manny hasnt been looking all that great and is getting older.

Supposedly he was going to be so fast and strong and have all this new artillery but it didnt show.

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That's a great point and good example on how a fighter can look bad their first fight at a new weight, but good in their second.

But I put more weight on JMM having 24 rounds of experience against Pac than I do JMM being better in his 2nd fight at the new weight and Pac slowing down.

I think JMM was in a unique position because he had so much continuity leading up to the 3rd fight with Pac. I think that alone is what allowed him to overcome the disadvantages.

I don't think Bradley will have this same type of continuity, but I think Bradley's toe-to-toe style will play into Pac's hands.

Either way, it should be a dynamite fight, regardless if I disagree with the weight it's at or not.

The only knock on Bradley is his inactivity but other than that he is a winner and will fight that way.

Should be a great fight as long as it doesnt get stopped on cuts.

Agreed.

[Nonitard]

Not cutting weight will make Bradley even stronger, plus Bradley wanted the fight at 147 because he knows himself better than some guy on the internet

[Yogi007]

I'll tell you like I told Gambler.

Pac's size has never been the question, since Pac and Bradley are practically the same size. When I say Pac is a strong WW, I'm referring to Pac's punching power. Shane Mosley, who's been in the ring with everyone and their mama, even thinks Pac's one of the hardest puncher's he's ever faced at 147. Margarito and Cotto agree.

This is what I mean by Pac being so much stronger at 147; it has nothing to do with weight or size.

That's like saying a body builder or power lifter can fight. Fight strong is different than a strong fighter; meaning just because a guy is weight room big or has weight room size, this doens't necessarily mean that he will be strong in a fight.

An example of this would be Mayweather-Mosley. Mosley walks around heavier and Mosley bench presses 300+ pounds. I'm not sure if Mayweather benches half that, but Mayweather was so much physically stronger than Mosley. This is what I mean by fight strong.

This is what Pac is; Bradley hasn't proven to have this same type of strength at 147. 140 is a different story.

Make sense?

I would agree with that if pac was going to be coming in at 157 pounds or somewhere around that on fight night, but Pac is only going to weigh about 146, give or take a pound. Since Pac wouldn't have to loose much, he wouldn't have to give up any muscle mass to do it.

[tatangb45]

1. Why did Bradley have 1 fight at 147, then go back down to 140? If he felt so comfortable there, why not stay there?

2. How can you advocate Hatton being a better fighter at 140 than he was at 147, but not Bradley? You can surely understand why a fighter's weight is dictated by his bone density/structure, not his walking around weight.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Answer to #1:
Because if he stays at 147 he will be facing bigger, taller, heavier and stronger guys than those at 140. That does not apply against Pac.

Answer to #2:
Same as #1.

[BoxingGenius27]

Answer to #1:
Because if he stays at 147 he will be facing bigger, taller, heavier and stronger guys than those at 140. That does not apply against Pac.

Answer to #2:
Same as #1.

Lol Bigger, taller, heavier and stronger guys like who?

Please, those guys should be the last on Bradley's mind.

Cotto, Marg, and Mosley all confirmed how strong Pac's punches are. Who do you believe?

[Twako]

Glad to see you admit Manny can easily make 140.

if he really wants to, he can. i bet floyd could too. but they are superstars now, why punish themselves when they can comfortably train in the division they've been campaigning? floyd even paid jmm because he doesnt want to drain those last few lbs.

there's a difference between these full blown WW like ortiz, margarito, clottey who come in 160above on fight night and pac who barely tip over the limit even on fight night.

dumb people do flock together.