Did Floyd dodge Cotto in 2007/2008?

[BoxingGenius27]

It was not offered instead of Judah, it was offered instead of Sharmba Mitchell from what I recall which would have been Floyd's first fight at 147. Wasn't really the right time. Margarito that is.

Margarito kept blowing his momentum though catching loses at inoppurtune times Santos, Williams, Mosley each time he had things going his way he couldn't keep it going. Sure he was a top guy and that was a fine fight to occur, but that doesn't mkae it a fight that has to happen either. It takes more than a fight not happening for a guy to be dodging a fight, for me anyways I know that some feel differently though.

Cotto is much the same except he had the momentum but blew it in the summer when people wanted him to fight Floyd. He never pressed for the fight and a challenger does have to press to really be making that sort of claim, he was perfectly content to let Floyd take the blame and gain the prestiege by being avoided by Floyd without trying to make it happen. Once again it would have been a good fight to happen, but it is jsut a fight that didn;t occur right then nothing more.

Plus I don't feel Cotto is all that much different now his flaws are the same, just more widely known and less glossed over since they have been taken advantage of.

Good post. I don't agree with everything 100% but still good post.

[jreckoning]

Honestly, out of the list you provided, the only names that jump out at me were Forrest, Mayorga, Judah, and spinks.

If you're talking about the Diaz that I think you're talking about, he never really made it past being an ESPN fighter. Matter of fact, I think he lost to Mosley well before he lost to Margarito.

Lastly, I don't recall Margarito being pushed by the media like you say he was. Like I said, I heard things here and there about Margarito, but that was about it. He didn't get anywhere near the push Baldomir got after beating Judah.

He was number one in the ring rankings from 2004 to 2006.
He beat Diaz on HBO not ESPN, beat Clottey by throwing 1600 punches.

It was more than here and there.

The buzz on Baldomir was more of disappointment in Judah. The same Judah who lost to Spinks two fights previous.

[BoxingGenius27]

It was an interview with Margarito, the one I'm referring to.

He was saying that he was angry that Mayweather fought Judah over him considering he was coming off a loss, and that he doesn't understand why Mayweather is fighting Judah when he could fight him, who deserves the big fight (with the P4P #1) considering he's considered one of, if not the best fighter at the weight at that particular time.

That's all paraprasing off a very diminshed memory

But trust me, it's out there somewhere.

Both Mayweather and Arum addressed it also so no doubt will there be articles out there.

Arum of course didn't care at that time because Floyd was his darling. "The best fighter ever including Ali". He did however bring up the situation again down the line and claim Mayweather ducking him from even back then. No surprises there.

Gambler recalls that he offered Margarito to Mayweather as early as the Sharmba Mitchell fight in 2005 but I don't recall that from memory myself.

Well, I've seen a few Mayweather interviews during that time.

One where Margarito personally called him out and another interview was in an article where mayweather said he would fight Margarito and Margarito would be easy work.

Are one of these the one's you're talking about?

[BoxingGenius27]

He was number one in the ring rankings from 2004 to 2006.
He beat Diaz on HBO not ESPN, beat Clottey by throwing 1600 punches.

It was more than here and there.

The buzz on Baldomir was more of disappointment in Judah. The same Judah who lost to Spinks two fights previous.

I was with you until the bold. We're talking about 2005. Margarito didn't fight Clottey until late 2006, early 2007. They fought the same night Cotto and Quintana fought. This is well after the timeline that Dan and I are talking about.

But even if you are talking about 2006, Mayweather agreed to fight margarito in 2006, but Arum couldn't guarantee the money.

That leaves us with 2005. Mayweather was still fighting at 140 in Jan 2005, so how could Mayweather have fought Margarito at 147 in 2005?

[Frogs!]

He was number one in the ring rankings from 2004 to 2006.
He beat Diaz on HBO not ESPN, beat Clottey by throwing 1600 punches.

It was more than here and there.

The buzz on Baldomir was more of disappointment in Judah. The same Judah who lost to Spinks two fights previous.

if you were a boxing fan during that time, you knew who margarito was and well aware that he was a tough out for anyone in his division.

[The Gambler1981]

He was number one in the ring rankings from 2004 to 2006.
He beat Diaz on HBO not ESPN, beat Clottey by throwing 1600 punches.

It was more than here and there.

The buzz on Baldomir was more of disappointment in Judah.

Baldo picked up a lot of buzz from beating Gatti, with his feather duster salesman back story. Plus that was when Cinderella Man was coming out and they pumped him as the modern day Cinderella man, it was a catchy story.

Margarito beat good fighters but he just never got that signature win (in the time frame we are talking), not that he didn't deserve an oppurtunity but he was just stuck good enough to beat good fighters but not able to get to that next stage and he caught loses when he stepped up to Santos and Williams who were a cut above those guys he was beating.

Not entirely Margarito's fault but boxing ain't known for being fair

[jreckoning]

Well, I've seen a few Mayweather interviews during that time.

One where Margarito personally called him out and another interview was in an article where mayweather said he would fight Margarito and Margarito would be easy work.

Are one of these the one's you're talking about?

I've seen different ones. Where Ellerbe said he wanted to fight Margarito but the time wasn't right.
One where Mayweather had a hand injury.

Then Floyd didn't take Arums offer and bought out of his contract with him.

Lots of different stories on this one.

ESPN had a lot of stories on this back then.

[big_james10]

At first, I thought he did and believed for few years because of the way Cotto handled Sosa, Corley & Judah (3 similar opponents from Floyd) but after seeing how fast Cotto-Mayweather was made when Arum wasnt in the picture...I realized Arum was a large part of the reason it not being made. Maybe all of it.

You are right. If Cotto was still signed to Top Rank, his next fight would be against Pacquaio at 147 on June 9 for a purse of $5 million. That would have been the only option that Arum gave him, and Arum dictates who his fighters face and when, not the other way around. When they fought a few years ago, Arum gave Cotto one option -- fight Pac at a catchweight for Cotto's 147 pound title or sit on the shelf for an unspecified time. Like all of Arum's fighters, except Mayweather, Cotto did what he was told. Now that he has left Arum, Cotto will make three times as much money as he ever made fighting under Arum.

Also, the *******s always either fail to mention this fact or they pretend like it never happened: Pac originally demanded that Cotto come down to 143 to fight him for Cotto's belt and Arum supported the idea. Refusing to resign with Arum was the best decision Cotto ever made.

[The Gambler1981]

if you were a boxing fan during that time, you knew who margarito was and well aware that he was a tough out for anyone in his division.

I knew who Margarito was because I read Maxboxing, whom was always fond of him. They were really the only ones talking about him.

[jreckoning]

I was with you until the bold. We're talking about 2005. Margarito didn't fight Clottey until late 2006, early 2007. They fought the same night Cotto and Quintana fought. This is well after the timeline that Dan and I are talking about.

But even if you are talking about 2006, Mayweather agreed to fight margarito in 2006, but Arum couldn't guarantee the money.

That leaves us with 2005. Mayweather was still fighting at 140 in Jan 2005, so how could Mayweather have fought Margarito at 147 in 2005?

2005 Floyd was making sure Sharmba Mitchell was still dead after Kostya Tszyu abused him.

I am talking about 2006 when the fight was hot.