Did Floyd dodge Cotto in 2007/2008?

[IronDanHamza]

Margarito was champ for 6 months before Mosley left him laying like a newborn baby.

If Floyd avoided Margarito, it could only be for 6 months because that's how long Margarito was ever in contention before being embarrassed.

Think about it.

Real champions can hold on to a championship for more than 8 months at a time so that they can make it to a match with the #1 fighter in their division.

If you can hold on to your **** for more than 8 months, then you're not really that big a deal, now are you?

I don't consider Margarito a big deal. I don't rate him too highly and I'm certainly not a fan of him and I don't think he'd be much trouble for Mayweather, looking back in hindsight.

But, back then, he was considered one of the best fighters in the division and certainly the best option available for Mayweather and a genuine threat.

He was available for Mayweather and he fought others instead.

[Brother Jay]

I'm talking resume and record and "BEFORE" the Gomez and Margarito fight.

Before both of those fights, Cotto was behind Mayweather in the best of the division. I'm not talking about after Cotto got beat with plaster.

But according to you Margarito was never anything to begin with. So in your eyes what would a Cotto win over Margarito do for you anyway? That's neither here nor there.

Yes, I'm talking about early 2008 around the April/May time frame. The Cotto vs Gomez bout could've waited if Mayweather gave his stamp of approval. All he had to do was say the word.

You do realize that Floyd had announced that he was taking a year off before Cotto had EVER fought Mosley, right? Why are you making it seem as though Floyd announced it after his fight with Hatton?

Are you suggesting that Mayweather did not announce that the Hatton fight would be his last way back in the summer of 2007?

Cotto wasn't right behind Mayweather before he fought Mosley! And his match against Mosley was 1 month before Floyd fought Hatton. Eight months later, Cotto was smashed out.

I'll ask you this: Who did Cotto ever beat outside of Mosley that would make him seen as formidable enough to "duck"?

That was the point I made. Was there anything else?

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And I'm a Mayweather fan. Possibly one of the biggest on this site.

But, I'm not biased, I tell it like it is.

Mayweather avoided Margarito and to be honest, I don't think he wanted any part of him.

I don't think he was scared, per se. But I think he knew he was a high thre

at low reward fight, and didn't want to even take the smallest risk in messing up the Oscar fight.

In all honesty, back then, I thought Margarito would give Mayweather problems. I wanted to see the fight of course but at the same time I was a little concerned that Mayweather could lose this one.

The first time in years I felt that way.

honest post. props.

having said that...

'ducking' happens not only in this sport but in every aspect of the real world.

that's essentially how successful ppl get ahead in life.

if floyd decided to take the easier route to a guaranteed big payday, who can blame him?

show me someone who'd take the highest risks possible EVERY single time and i'll show you an idiot who's most likely dead by now.

i'm not a floyd apologist by any means but the word 'ducking' has been thrown around so much in here that you'd think we're posting in the animal planet forum.

[IronDanHamza]

Show me a link where Arum offered Floyd $8 million or any amount of money before the Judah fight to fight Margarito instead.

I'll gladly wait.

He didn't offer him 8 Million at that point, I don't think.

But he was offered to Mayweather, doubtful for much money, probably just a standard payment.

I would imagine he was offered more money to fight Judah at that point. Considering he was the bigger name and took a pay cut from the original deal. Another reason why I don't blame him for not taking the fight.

And I tried to find a link earlier but I couldn't find one unfortunately.

But I remember from memory for a fact that Margarito was an opponent on the table for Mayweather aswell as Zab Judah.

I vividly remember an interview with Margarito where he said something along the lines of - "I don't understand why he is fighting Zab Judah over me. Judah is coming off a loss and I am considered the best fighter etc etc etc " Paraprasing there.

But, it remains that he had a choice to fight Margarito at that point and he instead fought Judah.

[Guest]

He didn't offer him 8 Million at that point, I don't think.

But he was offered to Mayweather, doubtful for much money, probably just a standard payment.

I would imagine he was offered more money to fight Judah at that point. Considering he was the bigger name and took a pay cut from the original deal. Another reason why I don't blame him for not taking the fight.

And I tried to find a link earlier but I couldn't find one unfortunately.

But I remember from memory for a fact that Margarito was an opponent on the table for Mayweather aswell as Zab Judah.

I vividly remember an interview with Margarito where he said something along the lines of - "I don't understand why he is fighting Zab Judah over me. Judah is coming off a loss and I am considered the best fighter etc etc etc " Paraprasing there.

But, it remains that he had a choice to fight Margarito at that point and he instead fought Judah.

The excuse back then was the Judah fight was already arranged before. With the television stuff all sorted out so they could not cancel it.

At least that's how the story went.

[Guest]

honest post. props.

having said that...

'ducking' happens not only in this sport but in every aspect of the real world.

that's essentially how successful ppl get ahead in life.

if floyd decided to take the easier route to a guaranteed big payday, who can blame him?

show me someone who'd take the highest risks possible EVERY single time and i'll show you an idiot who's most likely dead by now.

i'm not a floyd apologist by any means but the word 'ducking' has been thrown around so much in here that you'd think we're posting in the animal planet forum.

Sugar Ray Leonard fought fricking Hagler after a 3 year layoff.

Everything else is a duck....

But seriously, what a ballsy move by Ray.

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Sugar Ray Leonard fought fricking Hagler after a 3 year layoff.

Everything else is a duck....

But seriously, what a ballsy move by Ray.

all sugar ray did was pitty pat marvin with 20 sec left in the rd.

half ballsy?

[IronDanHamza]

The excuse back then was the Judah fight was already arranged before. With the television stuff all sorted out so they could not cancel it.

At least that's how the story went.

Yeah, it was.

They did have a verbal agreement. But nothing was signed or sorted. They had plans for the fight and along with every single person on the planet, expected Judah to beat Baldomir and then get the Mayweather-Judah fight on the go.

As we all know, Judah lost and ****ed it up.

Mayweather had the choice to honour his verbal agreement or move on to another opponent.

He didn't have to honour it. But I understand why he did.

Do you remember that interview Margarito had back then? About being annoyed that he chose Judah over him although he was coming off a loss?

I've been trying to find it but I can't.

Naturally, it's difficult considering so much has happened since then and the main argument for the "ducking" of Margarito is when he was offered 8 million. So I'm struggling to find it.

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all sugar ray did was pitty pat marvin with 20 sec left in the rd.

half ballsy?

He fought the killer who was destroying people.

He got in the ring. Stole the fight but did it.

Who does that?

Maybe Tito when he needs the money, but no one else man.


I think of Floyd in light of Sugar Ray Leonard with numerous retirements and sudden successes so I kind of want floyd to be like Ray was.

[BoxingGenius27]

You do realize that Floyd had announced that he was taking a year off before Cotto had EVER fought Mosley, right? Why are you making it seem as though Floyd announced it after his fight with Hatton?

Cotto wasn't right behind Mayweather before he fought Mosley! And his match against Mosley was 1 month before Floyd fought Hatton. Eight months later, Cotto was smashed out.

I'll ask you this: Who did Cotto ever beat outside of Mosley that would make him seen as formidable enough to "duck"?

That was the point I made. Was there anything else?

You do realize that Floyd originally wanted to retire after the Baldo fight, right?

You do realize that Floyd wanted to retire after the DLH fight right?

You do realize that Floyd wanted to retire after the Hatton fight but still went on to negotiate a 2nd fight with DLH a few months after supposedly retiring "INSTEAD" of negotiating with Cotto, right?

Do you notice the trend here?

Secondly, who was behind Mayweather if not Cotto? Williams, Margarito, Hatton, Mosley, Clottey and Cintron all LOST. Who was 2nd on the list at that time?

Lastly, I hate your whole retro view on boxing.

Let's say Mayweather finally loses in 2015. Am I suppose to wait until after he loses and start saying "Eight months later, Mayweather was smashed out" while completely forgetting how great his run was "at the time"?

Come on man.