Did Floyd dodge Cotto in 2007/2008?

[The_Sandman]

I don't understand how there are some people who think Floyd was ducking Cotto back then.

The fact that it was this easy to make a Floyd vs Cotto fight once Cotto left Arum just cannot be coincidence to me.

I mean, Floyd vs Oscar didn't happen til Floyd left Arum.
Cotto vs Floyd didn't happen til Cotto left Arum.
Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight isn't happening because Pac is with Arum.
Sergio vs Chavez fight isnt happening because Chavez is with Arum.

I'm sorry, but this cannot be coincidence to me.

I was even reading through the comments on Nonito Donaire's facebook. Donaire actually debates with his fans on facebook which is pretty cool. And he even said that he fights whoever Top Rank puts in front of him. So with this I have to believe that Floyd vs Cotto happened simply because Cotto was with Top Rank.

[BoxingGenius27]

I don't understand how there are some people who think Floyd was ducking Cotto back then.

The fact that it was this easy to make a Floyd vs Cotto fight once Cotto left Arum just cannot be coincidence to me.

I mean, Floyd vs Oscar didn't happen til Floyd left Arum.
Cotto vs Floyd didn't happen til Cotto left Arum.
Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight isn't happening because Pac is with Arum.
Sergio vs Chavez fight isnt happening because Chavez is with Arum.

I'm sorry, but this cannot be coincidence to me.

I was even reading through the comments on Nonito Donaire's facebook. Donaire actually debates with his fans on facebook which is pretty cool. And he even said that he fights whoever Top Rank puts in front of him. So with this I have to believe that Floyd vs Cotto happened simply because Cotto was with Top Rank.

Do you need me to pull up the article where Mayweather said he would'nt fight Cotto because Cotto didn't have a fan base?


You're acting like they were negotiating but Bob Arum was the problem. No!

The negotiations never even began because Mayweather wouldn't even ENTERTAIN the idea of fighting Cotto because he didn't have "a big enough fan base".

Come on man.

[Calabis]

Its really sad, when someone starts a thread like this. Why? Because all you have to do is look through the internet. Bob Arum didn't want the fight to happen, he stated in a interview that he wanted to build up Cotto first and then have him fight Mayweather, he wanted to replicate a Hagler/Leonard type fight.....too bad it didn't happen...due to the fallout of Mayweather and Arum, this fight never was close to happening

[COACH WEBB]

Do you need me to pull up the article where Mayweather said he would'nt fight Cotto because Cotto didn't have a fan base?


You're acting like they were negotiating but Bob Arum was the problem. No!

The negotiations never even began because Mayweather wouldn't even ENTERTAIN the idea of fighting Cotto because he didn't have "a big enough fan base".

Come on man.

What time frame would these negotiations have started?

[BoxingGenius27]

Its really sad, when someone starts a thread like this. Why? Because all you have to do is look through the internet. Bob Arum didn't want the fight to happen, he stated in a interview that he wanted to build up Cotto first and then have him fight Mayweather, he wanted to replicate a Hagler/Leonard type fight.....too bad it didn't happen...due to the fallout of Mayweather and Arum, this fight never was close to happening

I think you're confusing 2005 and 2006 with 2008.

Mayweather wanted Cotto in 2005/2006, yes. Bob Arum said no.

The public wanted Mayweather/Cotto in 2008, Floyd said Cotto's fan base wasn't big enough and that he was retiring or rematching DLH.

No matter how hard one tries, history can't be changed.

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

Like when Cotto was asked about fighting Mayweather one time and he said "I fights whoever my promoter wants me to fights". There's a video of that too. Ridiculous how you guys continue to blame Floyd for everything regarding fighters but never seem to acknowledge the other side AT ALL. Pretty gay if you ask me.

I was just answering the topic at hand. I can't comment on Cotto because he gave the same generic answer in every interview. No bull****, no excuses, just the same quote you'd expect to come from Miguel.

Floyd was in the drivers seat at the time, if he wanted, he could have made an offer to Arum and Cotto. Instead he choose to make some ridiculous statements. Pretty gay if you ask me.

[IronDanHamza]

And who told you that lie?



The infamous video where Margarito approaches Mayweather, Mayweather was already being interviewed on how he's planning to fight fight De La Hoya, and what does he think about his father saying no to training DLH.

Mayweather's last fight in Top Rank was the Judah fight in 2006.

And why couldn't Mayweather fight Margarito instead of Zab Judah?

He could have, if he wanted to.

And he could have fought Margarito instead of Baldomir too, if he wanted to.

Of course he was on bad terms with Bob Arum at that point, not as bad as they became and are now, but still.

He chose other fights instead, for viable reasons. Still, he chose other fights, easier fights, instead of Margarito.

[champ_kw]

of course he did look at the facts. and sorry cotto watching the gatti-mayweather fight and looking "scared" is not a reason the fight didn't happen. that's the story *****s came up.

arum offered floyd a career high payday but floyd demanded a 10 million guarantee to fight 140 pound cotto(floyd only got a 10 million guarantee when he fought delahoya) overpriced himself again. if arum didn't want the fight why would he offer him a career payday? makes no sense obviously. did arum know floyd was a coward and would reject it? how could arum give floyd the same guarantee that he got for delahoya? floyd was doing 400k ppvs and making 5 million a fight and cotto was no delahoya.

floyd made up a bunch of silly excuses: cotto's not a CEO, cotto lives too far away(even though he fought bruseles who is from the same place) etc...then retired when the heat was really on him to fight cotto only to return after cotto lost.

even after floyd left top rank he never attempted to make the fight. no negotiations, no offers from floyd who says he's the guy that makes offers to his opponents and not the other way around, nothing.

for people who say arum didn't want to make the fight do you ever think floyd doesn't want to work with arum and not the other way around? arum's made fights between top rank and golden boy fighters many times. floyd zero times.

of course he did look at the facts. and sorry Floyd watching the Pac vs ODLH fight and being "scared" is not a reason the fight didn't happen. that's the story Pac fans came up with.

Floyd offered Pac a career high payday but Pac demanded a 50/50 guarantee to fight (Pac only get a 7 million guarantee when he fight Bradley) overpriced himself again. if Floyd didn't want the fight why would he offer him a career payday? makes no sense obviously. did Floyd know Pac was a coward and would reject it? how could Floyd give Pac the same guarantee that he is getting? Floyd did over 2 million with Oscar and makes 35-40million a fight.

Pac made up a bunch of silly excuses: Im scared of needles, i'll take the lesser share etc...then hint at retiring for the bible when the heat is really on him to fight Floyd.

even after Pac became the breadwinner for top rank he never attempted to make the fight....just keep saying talk to my promoter, nothing.

for people who say Floyd don't want to make the fight do you ever think Arum doesn't want to work with Floyd and not the other way around? Floyd made fights between ex top rank and golden boy fighters many times. Current top rank fighters, zero times.

Stick to the script!

[BoxingGenius27]

What time frame would these negotiations have started?

Immediately after Floyd fought Hatton or before/after Cotto fought Gomez.

The public didn't want to see Floyd vs DLH II, just like they didn't want to see Cotto vs Gomez.

Floyd being his own boss, I'm pretty sure if he called out Cotto like he had the opportunity during the post fight Hatton interview, I'm pretty sure negotiations could've began and the Gomez vs Cotto fight would've been called off.

Instead, we heard about transitioning to MMA because "boxing had no more challenges", retirement, fanbases, ect...

[IronDanHamza]

You're not listening. You're opinion don't make it facts. Floyd left Bob Arum when he was offering him Margarito because Bob Arum didn't want to make the fight with Oscar De La Hoya. Floyd left Arum, Oscar offered Floyd the fight and then postponed and that's when Floyd needed an opponent and fought Baldomir. He was not with Top Rank then. Floyd went for the better option and it paid off. Seems to me you are trying to slice it in your favor because everything I'm stating is supported by what actually happened while you can't back up what you are trying to tell me AT ALL.

What part of the post is my opinion?

Mayweather fought Judah instead of Margarito. Did he not?

He fought Baldomir instead of Margarito? Did he not?

Despite the fact he wasn't with TR for the Baldomir fight, he didn't even entertain a fight with Margarito. He took the Baldomir fight instead.

Like I said, I understand the reasoning why on both occasions.

Judah - He had a verbal agreement with him. He honoured it. Did he have to? No, he didn't. He could have fought Margarito instead if he wanted to. He chose not to

Baldomir - He was on bad terms with Bob Arum. Still, he could have fought Margarito if he really pleased. He chose Baldomir instead.