Did Floyd dodge Cotto in 2007/2008?

[The Big Dunn]

Exactly. Leonard retired and invited Hagler to come have dinner and drinks at his restaurant. Got Hagler drunk to spill all of his secrets about is weaknesses and then called Hagler out. Both men cosigned this happening.

A lot of posters here are not old enough to remember that. Bob has done this **** before (leonard Hearns waited 2 years to happen, ODH and sweet pea)) when he isn't sure his cash cow can win. Miguel was slated to be the new Tito. No way bob was letting him near floyd.

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Dan:

Mayweather beat Zab for the IBF title to unify the belts. Zab didn't pay the fee so the IBF belt wasn't on the line when he fought Baldo. He had a contract signed with Zab before Zab fought Baldo. Since Baldo won, and floyd had bought out the TR deal, he fought Baldo for the wbc and lineal titles, then zab for the IBF title.

Once he bought out his TR contract and filed suit against Bob there was no realistic Margo fight.

He fought Zab first for the IBF title. The reason why Zab still held the IBF is because Baldomir didn't want to pay the sanctioning fees making Zab the IBF champion. Floyd left Top Rank after to fight Oscar but Oscar changed his mind and so Floyd had to find another opponent so he fought Baldomir and got the same 8MIL he was offered for Margarito. People actually was about to say Floyd was ducking Baldomir if Floyd didn't fight him. All the WW's didn't say Baldomir was a weak champion but rather the opposite. People really need to do their research and know the facts. Floyd motivation for leaving Top Rank was to fight Oscar and get away from Bob Arum jerking him.

[The Big Dunn]

He fought Zab first for the IBF title. The reason why Zab still held the IBF is because Baldomir didn't want to pay the sanctioning fees making Zab the IBF champion. Floyd left Top Rank after to fight Oscar but Oscar changed his mind and so Floyd had to find another opponent so he fought Baldomir and got the same 8MIL he was offered for Margarito. People actually was about to say Floyd was ducking Baldomir if Floyd didn't fight him. All the WW's didn't say Baldomir was a weak champion but rather the opposite. People really need to do their research and know the facts. Floyd motivation to leaving Top Rank was to fight Oscar and get away from Bob Arum jerking him.

NO doubt he wanted the paper. Yeah my bad on that. The Baldo fight kinda fell in his lap because Baldo beat Gatti.

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So like I said, whether Floyd wanted the fight or not, or Cotto wanted the fight or not, it wasn't going to happen because Cotto was under Bob Arum.

I wasn't calling you out but rather talking about the other poster saying the fight not happening fell on Mayweather shoulders

[IronDanHamza]

Judah and Mayweather had a verbal agreement when he was the undisputed champion at 147. Why would Floyd fight Margarito when Zab was the undisputed WW at the time? Floyd could have deaded the fight but he kept his word and Zab just took less $. "Avoided" sounds like you're trying to say he was scared of Margarito. The fight didn't happen with Margarito because Bob Arum didn't want to get Floyd the fight with Oscar bottom line.

Margarito was offered to Mayweather after Judah lost to Baldomir.

They had a verbal agreement, yes. But Mayweather didn't have to honour it, he chose to.

I have said in this very thread Mayweather wasn't scared of Margarito but the fact is he chose other fighters to fight instead of him. That's a fact.

Oscar and Margarito weren't a package deal. Not if Mayweather didn't want it to be.

He could have negotiated with Bob to fight just Margarito instead of just Judah. He didn't.

Like I have said on numerous occasions, I understand the reasoning to why he didn't fight him. But, he chose to fight others instead of him, that again, is a fact.

[Brother Jay]

I have a poll below asking if you think Floyd dodged this fight back in 2007 or 2008, but i want to explain my way of thinking and i encourage people to state their own opinions because maybe i am missing something here.
I have been looking up alot of past articles as to this fight that dates back to 2006. I remember before the Cotto vs Quintana fight when Miguel first moved to 147 i was hoping for a fight between Cotto and Floyd. Bob Arum said he wanted to get a few fights under his belt at 417 then thye'd talk Floyd. Then when Cotto Ko'd Quintanna in 5, then Urkal in 11, then Judah in 11 then UD over Mosley, then KO of Gomez in 5. I thought for sure we'd see it. Then all i remember is everytime Floyd would be asked about Miguel he'd respond with " he's too inexperienced, too young, not big enough name etc... This is the same guy who KO'd damn near all the common opponents that Floyd took the distance. AND Floyd was the one saying he challenged Miguel but BOB Arum wouldnt allow it a few years prior. So how is it that Foyd goes from Challenging the guy to then saying that hes too young, inxperienced, no big enough name? If this doesnt show you that he cherry picks his opponents then i dont know what does. I just hope and pray that Miguel sticks with a great game plan and shows he is still the fighter of old. And i honestly think with his trainer that they have what it takes to make this a great fight and come out with the W. Good Luck to Both men.

How could Floyd have ducked him?

Cotto's claim to fame was a super razor thin win over Shane Mosley that IMO should have gone the other way. This was in November 2007. Floyd was fighting undefeated Ricky Hatton in December 2007.

Eight months later, Cotto got beaten bloody.

So are you saying that because Floyd didn't fight Cotto within an eight month window he somehow ducked Cotto?????? That is your argument?

You already know that Mayweather gave him a chance for a fight, which Cotto turned down. That alone tells anyone with half a brain that Floyd didn't Miguel.

The extremely weak argument that you're trying to make is that Mayweather didn't seek Cotto out in the very short time that Cotto had achieved anything at WW.

Hahaha ... That's pretty thin and really lame.

The same thing happened with Margarito. Margarito destroyed Miguel Cotto .. and then got knocked out only six months later. Maybe Floyd, as the #1WW and champion, should have rushed to secure a fight with Margarito in that six month window before Mosley had his way with him, huh?

A champion, especially the best in a division, doesn't hunt the lesser fighters. He's the king of the hill. He grants fights. He doesn't pursue them. You're attempting to make it as though the P4P#1 is supposed to chase guys IMMEDIATELY after they finally do something worth talking about.

That's a false notion and you failed.

Ducking is refusing to fight the best when given the opportunity.

Ducking is refusing to take PED tests that any other fighter would have for $40 million for 3 years.

Ducking is choosing to fight for $7 million instead of $40 million.

Ducking is waiting for OTHER fighters to beat a guy first ... and then when he's beaten an lost confidence you express desire to fight him ... and even then only if he's willing to sweat down to a "mannyweight".

Top Rank = a bunch a muppet b!tches that have Bob Arum's hand up their assses controlling their every word and movement.

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How could Floyd have ducked him?

Cotto's claim to fame was a super razor thin win over Shane Mosley that IMO should have gone the other way. This was in November 2007. Floyd was fighting undefeated Ricky Hatton in December 2007.

Eight months later, Cotto got beaten bloody.

So are you saying that because Floyd didn't fight Cotto within an eight month window he somehow ducked Cotto?????? That is your argument?

You already know that Mayweather gave him a chance for a fight, which Cotto turned down. That alone tells anyone with half a brain that Floyd didn't Miguel.

The extremely weak argument that you're trying to make is that Mayweather didn't seek Cotto out in the very short time that Cotto had achieved anything at WW.

Hahaha ... That's pretty thin and really lame.

The same thing happened with Margarito. Margarito destroyed Miguel Cotto .. and then got knocked out only six months later. Maybe Floyd, as the #1WW and champion, should have rushed to secure a fight with Margarito in that six month window before Mosley had his way with him, huh?

A champion, especially the best in a division, doesn't hunt the lesser fighters. He's the king of the hill. He grants fights. He doesn't pursue them. You're attempting to make it as though the P4P#1 is supposed to chase guys IMMEDIATELY after they finally do something worth talking about.

That's a false notion and you failed.

Ducking is refusing to fight the best when given the opportunity.

Ducking is refusing to take PED tests that any other fighter would have for $40 million for 3 years.

Ducking is choosing to fight for $7 million instead of $40 million.

Ducking is waiting for OTHER fighters to beat a guy first ... and then when he's beaten an lost confidence you express desire to fight him ... and even then only if he's willing to sweat down to a "mannyweight".

Top Rank = a bunch a muppet b!tches that have Bob Arum's hand up their assses controlling their every word and movement.

Margarito stepped to Floyd during an Oscar De La Hoya press conference and then right after got beat by Paul Williams. Floyd ducking Margarito is absurd. As soon as Margarito fought someone that was good, can take a punch and could box, he lost.

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Margarito was offered to Mayweather after Judah lost to Baldomir.

They had a verbal agreement, yes. But Mayweather didn't have to honour it, he chose to.

I have said in this very thread Mayweather wasn't scared of Margarito but the fact is he chose other fighters to fight instead of him. That's a fact.

Oscar and Margarito weren't a package deal. Not if Mayweather didn't want it to be.

He could have negotiated with Bob to fight just Margarito instead of just Judah. He didn't.

Like I have said on numerous occasions, I understand the reasoning to why he didn't fight him. But, he chose to fight others instead of him, that again, is a fact.

These are all your opinions. Do you know the difference between facts and opinions? Show me link that Margarito was offered to Mayweather after Judah lost to Baldomir.

[IronDanHamza]

These are all your opinions. Do you know the difference between facts and opinions? Show me link that Margarito was offered to Mayweather after Judah lost to Baldomir.

How are they opinions?

Seriously? How are they opinions?

You're saying that's it's my opinion that Oscar and Margarito weren't a package deal? And that Mayweather didn't have to honour his verbal agreement with Zab Judah? What?

There were no contracts signed and nothing was on paper that he had to fight Zab Judah in 2006. He could have easily told Judah that the fight was no longer going to happen if he pleased. This is not my opinion.

I can't find a link for Margarito being available for Mayweather after Judah lost to Baldomir although I'm not sure why I need one. You were there, right?

I did look, but I can't find it. There's an article and video were margarito addressing directly that he should be fighting him instead of Zab Judah.

You don't remember Margarito saying he wanted to fight Mayweather and he doesn't know why Mayweather is fighting Judah instead of him?

That fight was on the table for him, he could have fought Margarito at that point. Is that my opinion again? Or is it a fact? That he could have fought him instead of Judah?

Of course he could have. Margarito sure as hell wanted it.

He chose someone else instead.

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How are they opinions?

Seriously? How are they opinions?

You're saying that's it's my opinion that Oscar and Margarito weren't a package deal? And that Mayweather didn't have to honour his verbal agreement with Zab Judah? What?

There were no contracts signed and nothing was on paper that he had to fight Zab Judah in 2006. He could have easily told Judah that the fight was no longer going to happen if he pleased. This is not my opinion.

I can't find a link for Margarito being available for Mayweather after Judah lost to Baldomir although I'm not sure why I need one. You were there, right?

I did look, but I can't find it. There's an article and video were margarito addressing directly that he should be fighting him instead of Zab Judah.

You don't remember Margarito saying he wanted to fight Mayweather and he doesn't know why Mayweather is fighting Judah instead of him?

That fight was on the table for him, he could have fought Margarito at that point. Is that my opinion again? Or is it a fact? That he could have fought him instead of Judah?

Of course he could have. Margarito sure as hell wanted it.

He chose someone else instead.

You're saying what Floyd could have or should have done if he wanted to but he did what actually happened and what I am telling you. Show me the video and the link. Here is exactly what happened.....

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

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That's why the fight with Margarito didn't happen homie. Everything you're talking about is your opinion of what Floyd could have done.