Oleksandr Usyk is the greatest fighter since…

[gamesworn]

What the hell are you even trying to type lol? You said the heavyweights are bigger now and then when I tell you there were tons of big heavyweights in the 1990s you turn around and say size doesn't matter. Also Pac and and Mayweather aren't natural 147 pound fighters. Good God kid you are so clueless.

None of this has a thing to do with what you claim. Usyk beating Tyson Fury proves nothing. Fury isn't a huge guy for heavyweight standards since there have been tons of guys bigger since the 1990s or even before.

Tons of big heavyweights in the 90s does not mean Better Fighters. Contenders and no hoper do not define the era. Really not that hard to understand or being clueless yourself lol

Edit: I was talking about Top Heavyweights being bigger this era. Again and i will repeat, Top Heavyweights defines the era, not the contenders which you tries to argue with me.

[Haka]

Lol there are Soviet boxers now. How many Soviet champions are there? Also what does anything you type have to do with what I typed? Usyk beat who to be considered a ATG? Hype job Anthony Joshua and overrated Tyson Fury.

You can make the same argument you make against Usyk to the run up that Tyson had up until Buster. The 90s fighters didn’t have to deal with any soviets, unproven against soviets, in an age where steroid use was much more widespread. This is all factual. You are chipping away against current era fighters but you can do it in reverse as well.

[Roadblock]

You can make the same argument you make against Usyk to the run up that Tyson had up until Buster. The 90s fighters didn’t have to deal with any soviets, unproven against soviets, in an age where steroid use was much more widespread. This is all factual. You are chipping away against current era fighters but you can do it in reverse as well.

Whats your point what are trying to state, I dont get your stories, I think Mike Tyson smokes him, I think Ali would box his ears of and I think Holyfeild would be a great fight, what is your problem ?

[champion4ever]

I’m tempted to say Roy Jones. I think Floyd was more gifted/talented but I don’t think he chased/achieved greatness the same way Usyk did. He certainly valued money over legacy and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Pac also chased greatness relentlessly and achieved miraculous feats throughout multiple weight classes but there were several mishaps along the way, Usyk has always found a way to win, there was never a Morales 1 or Marquez 4 moment.

The only thing that could possibly count against Usyk is he hasn’t had anywhere near as many pro fights, but there is significant quality within those 23 wins. 10 of which came on the road against a fighter in there home country. That’s f***ing incredible. Two undisputed championships. Reached the absolute pinnacle as an amateur too. I truly think Usyk is right up there all time.

Where do you place Usyk all time?

You are making a very good point here and I wholeheartedly agree. Not since Mayweather have we seen a fighter as smart or with such a high ring IQ as Oleksandr Usyk.

What really sets him apart is ability to make adjustments on the fly. He is both versatile and flexible in this regard. He can adapt to just about any type of boxing style.

I thought Fury got badly outclassed by a man he outweighed by some sixty odd pounds or more. As far as Tyson Fury fighting off the front foot. Usyk was just too smart for that. He simply spun him around while putting Fury on his back foot.

[gamesworn]

Hypothetically lets say Wlad and Vitali fought at their primes in the 90s and dominated along with Lennox Lewis, and removing the likes of Tyson and Holyfield in the 90s, then this era i will consider as one of the biggest Heavyweights era of all time. The top fighter who wins most of the fights are the ones defining the era.

[shawnkemp804]

You can make the same argument you make against Usyk to the run up that Tyson had up until Buster. The 90s fighters didn’t have to deal with any soviets, unproven against soviets, in an age where steroid use was much more widespread. This is all factual. You are chipping away against current era fighters but you can do it in reverse as well.

So basically you aren't going to answer the question. How many Soviets are heavyweight champions now? Either answer the question or don't respond to me again. Who did Tyson Fury beat to be considered a ATG. In fact just don't message me again. If you do I will block you.

[shawnkemp804]

Whats your point what are trying to state, I dont get your stories, I think Mike Tyson smokes him, I think Ali would box his ears of and I think Holyfeild would be a great fight, what is your problem ?

Usyk barely beat a faded Chisora but you think he puts up a great fight against a prime Holyfield? Good stuff.

[shawnkemp804]

Tons of big heavyweights in the 90s does not mean Better Fighters. Contenders and no hoper do not define the era. Really not that hard to understand or being clueless yourself lol

Edit: I was talking about Top Heavyweights being bigger this era. Again and i will repeat, Top Heavyweights defines the era, not the contenders which you tries to argue with me.

Yeah, something is seriously wrong with you, You just claimed Usyk beat Tyson Fury and since Tyson Fury is a bigger heavyweight it means Usyk is a ATG. Then I tell you there were tons of bigger heavyweights back in the 1990s and you response is being bigger doesn't make you better. Joe Joyce, Zhang, Bakole have never even fought for the title so how are they defining a era? Wait Tyson Fury is defining this era? Because he beat a old Wlad 10 years ago? The only bigger heavyweights who won titles in this era are Tyson Fury who is 6'7 and fat, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder who is a natural 210 pound guy, Lance Whitaker, Michael Grant, Henry Akinwande, Jorge Luis Gonzales ect were all bigger and the reason they didn't win the title was because they fought better people. Each of these guys were considered top heavyweights regardless of what you want to believe. But you could also add 6'6 270 pound guys like Jameel McCline but you could also mention the tons of 6'4 to 6'4 1/2 guys like Andrew Golota, Rid**** Bowe, Lennox Lewis etc. But yeah since Tyson Fury, Wilder, and Joshua were champions since 2010 it clearly means there are far bigger heavyweights today.

Yep you are clearly mentally handicapped. Be a dear and don't message me again and I won't message you again

[Haka]

So basically you aren't going to answer the question. How many Soviets are heavyweight champions now? Either answer the question or don't respond to me again. Who did Tyson Fury beat to be considered a ATG. In fact just don't message me again. If you do I will block you.

Usyk remains undefeated, as does Beterbiev, while Lomachenko held an unbeaten reign as champion for years—a testament to the exceptional talent emerging from former Soviet countries. Usyk, in particular, has showcased an unparalleled ability to dominate elite heavyweights without ever appearing in genuine trouble, a fact that cannot be dismissed. While it’s true that the 90s fighters were imposing in size, it’s equally crucial to acknowledge the context: drug use and performance-enhancement practices were rampant, with testing protocols lagging far behind today's standards. Consider the Tour de France in the 90s as a parallel—endemic doping undermines many achievements of that time. Moreover, if you're inclined to discredit Usyk, does that same scrutiny extend to Mike Tyson? After all, Tyson's pre-Douglas run—despite its limitations in opposition quality—cemented his status as an all-time great in the eyes of many. Shouldn't the criteria for greatness remain consistent across eras and fighters ?

[shawnkemp804]

Usyk remains undefeated, as does Beterbiev, while Lomachenko held an unbeaten reign as champion for years—a testament to the exceptional talent emerging from former Soviet countries. Usyk, in particular, has showcased an unparalleled ability to dominate elite heavyweights without ever appearing in genuine trouble, a fact that cannot be dismissed. While it’s true that the 90s fighters were imposing in size, it’s equally crucial to acknowledge the context: drug use and performance-enhancement practices were rampant, with testing protocols lagging far behind today's standards. Consider the Tour de France in the 90s as a parallel—endemic doping undermines many achievements of that time. Moreover, if you're inclined to discredit Usyk, does that same scrutiny extend to Mike Tyson? After all, Tyson's pre-Douglas run—despite its limitations in opposition quality—cemented his status as an all-time great in the eyes of many. Shouldn't the criteria for greatness remain consistent across eras and fighters ?

Lol blocked, none of the people you named were heavyweights and Usyk isn't Russian, I am blocking you. Go away.