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    #51
    Originally posted by JimRaynor View Post

    You’re either young or have an incredibly low IQ, more than likely both.

    Again I could take what you typed as being serious if you weren't white. Everything I typed is 100 percent fact. You are white, you are biased, you don't know anything about boxing because to pretend to like whatever fighter who is white.

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      #52
      Originally posted by shawnkemp804 View Post

      I will just assume most of you people here aren't bright enough to understand how to read. Again let me type this again. Who did Tyson Fury beat to become a ATG? Also this era of heavyweights are huge? You do realize back in the 1990's you literally had 100s and 100s of heavyweights who were at least 6'6 250 pounds up to 6'11 and 300 plus pounds? The fact that you think heavyweights are bigger now pretty much tells me you are a 12 year old kid who just repeats stuff you hear people on TV say. That is why you think Tyson Fury is a ATG even though Fury has never beat anybody besides a 40 year old Wlad. Be a dear and no message me again and I won't message you again.
      Looks like you are the one not reading properly here. Not once i did mentioned Fury was ATG. In fact i mentioned he is not an ATG win for Usyk. lmao

      What level of fighters were these big heavyweight during that era you were talking about? Obviously when i said "Era of Big Heavyweights" i was talking about the current top dogs of this Heavyweight Era, not some random big dudes fighting in heavyweight.

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        #53
        Serious recency bias. Cruiser has always been a garbage division, and at heavy weight he beaten 5 opponents, the biggest were AJ who was a mediocre hype job and Fury who is out of shape and past his prime. Dubois win might be decent but he only has 23 pro fights. Any talk of ATG is laughable imo.
        Last edited by Oracle01; 12-22-2024, 12:42 AM.

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          #54
          Originally posted by gamesworn View Post

          Looks like you are the one not reading properly here. Not once i did mentioned Fury was ATG. In fact i mentioned he is not an ATG win for Usyk. lmao

          What level of fighters were these big heavyweight during that era you were talking about? Obviously when i said "Era of Big Heavyweights" i was talking about the current top dogs of this Heavyweight Era, not some random big dudes fighting in heavyweight.
          Um who are the big heavyweights now? Lol fat Tyson Fury? Fat Joe Joyce? Fat Zhang? Fat Bakole? I will name you a few bigger heavyweights from the 1990's. Micheal Grant 6'7 250 who fought for the title, Lance Whitaker 6'8 270 who was considered a contender, Jorge Luis Gonzales 6'7 250 fought for the title 6'7 Henry Akinwande who actually won the WBO version of the title. Also you do realize both Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko turned pro in the 1990's lol. Also so if don't think Tyson Fury is a ATG then how does Usyk beating him make Usyk a ATG? Tyson Fury did still did nothing in his career besides beat a old Wlad so how is Usyk beating a druggy version of Fury a good or great win?

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            #55
            Originally posted by j0zef View Post
            He is an ATG heavyweight..
            How the hell can he be an ATG HW with 7 fights and 5 opponents? lol. These fan boys are out of control.

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              #56
              Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

              Ursk is a great but to say the best of the greats is a reach, old school prime Ali , then prime Tyson and prime Holyfield would all give him a world of problems, I would bet on Ali Tyson wins, Holyfield would be a great fight. all of them are greats in my book.
              You are listing greats, while I don't think usyk could beat prime tommy morrison , ruddock , or Mercer, He has fought nobody at HW who has skill and can punch.

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                #57
                Originally posted by shawnkemp804 View Post

                Um who are the big heavyweights now? Lol fat Tyson Fury? Fat Joe Joyce? Fat Zhang? Fat Bakole? I will name you a few bigger heavyweights from the 1990's. Micheal Grant 6'7 250 who fought for the title, Lance Whitaker 6'8 270 who was considered a contender, Jorge Luis Gonzales 6'7 250 fought for the title 6'7 Henry Akinwande who actually won the WBO version of the title. Also you do realize both Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko turned pro in the 1990's lol. Also so if don't think Tyson Fury is a ATG then how does Usyk beating him make Usyk a ATG? Tyson Fury did still did nothing in his career besides beat a old Wlad so how is Usyk beating a druggy version of Fury a good or great win?
                WBO wasn't fully recognize as major title until the 2000s but try again. Insulting "Current" big fighters who won titles while trying to prop up "Old" big fighters who were only contenders is a nice way to show your bias with old fighters.

                Vitali and Wlad are both big but wasn't the top dog that time. Wlad feasted on smaller fighters during his reign in the 2000s and considered by many as one of the weakest HW era. The Klitschko brothers were mainly 2000s fighters and not 90s

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Oracle01 View Post
                  Seriously recency bias. Cruiser has always been a garbage division, and at heavy weight he beaten 5 opponents, the biggest were AJ who was a mediocre hype job and Fury who is out of shape and past his prime. Dubious win might be decent but he only has 23 pro fights. Any talk of ATG is laughable imo.
                  Wait a minute, wait a minute, we have a intelligent person here. You are correct, it is recently biased but all Usyk fanboys are white and only like him because he is white. Kind of like how Floyd Mayweather fans are black and they only like Floyd because he is black.

                  But yeah, Usyk beat Joshua who was a media hype job and Usyk beat Joshua after Andy Ruiz beat him first. Usyk beat Dubois but Dubois is hype job. Dubois couldn't even beat Joe Joyce while a 41 year old Chisora did beat Joe Joyce. Then Usyk beat Fury a guy still living off beating a 40 year old 10 years ago. So Usyk isn't close to being a ATG heavyweight and as you said the cruiser weight division has always been trash and nobody has ever cared about that division.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by shawnkemp804 View Post

                    Wait a minute, wait a minute, we have a intelligent person here. You are correct, it is recently biased but all Usyk fanboys are white and only like him because he is white. Kind of like how Floyd Mayweather fans are black and they only like Floyd because he is black.

                    But yeah, Usyk beat Joshua who was a media hype job and Usyk beat Joshua after Andy Ruiz beat him first. Usyk beat Dubois but Dubois is hype job. Dubois couldn't even beat Joe Joyce while a 41 year old Chisora did beat Joe Joyce. Then Usyk beat Fury a guy still living off beating a 40 year old 10 years ago. So Usyk isn't close to being a ATG heavyweight and as you said the cruiser weight division has always been trash and nobody has ever cared about that division.
                    damn. You really hate us crackas huh. This has been a wild read lol

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Oracle01 View Post

                      You are listing greats, while I don't think usyk could beat prime tommy morrison , ruddock , or Mercer, He has fought nobody at HW who has skill and can punch.
                      Cant argue against that, Im not one of bandwagon jumpers, he has great accomplishments for the time and is great boxer but I don't think he is anywhere near the best HWs in history, the fans in here do this stuff every time someone wins a big fight , I feel the HW division is weak and has been for a long time.

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