Oleksandr Usyk is the greatest fighter since…

[gamesworn]

Good points.

I think Usyk could definitely hang in the 90’s but I don’t see him dominating against the likes of Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, Mike Tyson etc.

Not sure why you called that good points, when he was arguing fighters who failed to get titles and at the same time calling them Top Heavyweights. It doesn't make sense. Dude is high on HW of the 90s

Also this was the 90s with plenty of World titles to pick up. Not getting title means they are not as good and definitely not the Top Heavyweights.

[shawnkemp804]

You are the one clearly handicapped here and very biased too. They didn't won titles because they are not as good as you think they were, which is a Fact. Only in your head they are all top fighters. You are delusional and that's who you really are.

I already explained to you an Era is defined by its top fighters. And the top fighters during 90s aren't as big as HW of today. Which is again is a fact you chose to ignore.

Right so winning a title makes you great? Fantastic then Charles Martin is just as good as Usyk and Tyson Fury then according to you because he won a title. Bermaine Stiverne won a title so that clearly makes him great now too right? I am done. I am just going to put you put you on the ignore list now. Bye bye

[Citizen Koba]

Jesus. Where's the NSB time machine when we need it? Did someone borrow it and forget to bring it back?

End of the day there's no objective way of comparing fighters between eras so all we're left with is looking at how dudes have performed against their contemporaries in the circumstances of their own era. All very well saying that fighter x or fighter y would get smashed by our nostalgic rememberances of the fighters of yesteryear but well, opinions and assholes and all that.

Usyk is an unbeaten fighter who's become undisputed at two weighclasses, including the unlimited class. That is exceptional in any era. The only other heavyweight to rival his achievemants in the last 25 years is Wlad. The only other Crusiserweight to rival his achievements since the inception of the divison some 40 odd years ago is Holyfield. Modern codified and regulated boxing is - give or take - 100 -125 years old depending how you want to define your starting point.

Anyway. That's just how I think about it.

[shawnkemp804]

Usyk is by the far the only fighter since Floyd retired that has truly impressed me and has the resume to match

Lol if Usyk's resume impresses you then you are clearly impressed by anything.

[gamesworn]

Right so winning a title makes you great? Fantastic then Charles Martin is just as good as Usyk and Tyson Fury then according to you because he won a title. Bermaine Stiverne won a title so that clearly makes him great now too right? I am done. I am just going to put you put you on the ignore list now. Bye bye

Lol You're creating argument on your own mouth. Not once i said getting a title means you are great. I'm only discussing the top fighters who won titles. I didn't even mentioned Zhang and other fighters in the HW division and you keep adding them in the discussions. And no i don't consider them the top fighters of Current Heavyweight Era. I didn't claim any of that. All made up in your mind.

Your argument is these fighters you mentioned are Top Heavyweights but failed to get title? You chose to ignore me because you clearly know you are wrong and can't accept it.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Sure, in your opinion. It's still going to be all those HOFers of Floyd's resume and probably 1 or maybe 2 on Usyk's however you choose to frame it.

Ranking fighters all time is all about opinions. Literally the point of thread…

Floyd has more HOF’ers. Usyk has more Undisputed Championships, something Floyd never achieved, an Olympic Gold medal, something Floyd never achieved. 10 wins on the road, Floyd has 0. Fought in 8 different countries, Floyd fought in 1. He has conceded size advantages Floyd wouldn’t have dreamed of.

You can’t just limit the conversation to just HOF’ers defeated that’s only one element of greatness. The things I’d add for Floyd are longevity, more fights, more world title fights and more lineal championships with 4 compared to 2.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You are making a very good point here and I wholeheartedly agree. Not since Mayweather have we seen a fighter as smart or with such a high ring IQ as Oleksandr Usyk.

What really sets him apart is ability to make adjustments on the fly. He is both versatile and flexible in this regard. He can adapt to just about any type of boxing style.

I thought Fury got badly outclassed by a man he outweighed by some sixty odd pounds or more. As far as Tyson Fury fighting off the front foot. Usyk was just too smart for that. He simply spun him around while putting Fury on his back foot.

His ability to adapt is incredible. Also reminds me of Mayweather how he is able to figure his opponents out mid-fight and make the necessary adjustments to take control.

He has such a strong winning mentality too, always responds so well to adversity in the ring.

[davef]

Lol if Usyk's resume impresses you then you are clearly impressed by anything.

Name me a currently active fighter with a more decorated resume that's undefeated and undisputed in 2 weight classes aside from going back 15 years to canelo

[LG Motel 22]

Pac-Man. People are quick to denigrate those Joshua and Fury wins but man he beat them twice convincingly.

[IronDanHamza]

Lol Usyk could hang with the best of the 90's? Why? Because you said so? IT is funny how none of you can answer basic questions. Who did Usyk beat in this watered down era that was so good that you now believe Uysk could hang with any half way decent fighter in the 90's? Anthony Joshua after Ruiz beat him first? So could Ruiz hang with the fighters of the 90's? If he a ATG now? Wait Usyk beat Dubois after Joe Joyce beat him first? Could Joyce hang with the best of the 90's now? Is Joyce a ATG? Wait because Usyk beat a drugged out version of Tyson Fury who has done nothing with his career besides beat 40 year old Wlad and no talent Deontay Wilder? Come on dude.

I’m agreeing with you

I think he could hang, as in be amongst them. That’s my opinion based off styles and fantasy H2H match ups.

Do I think he could beat Lewis or Holyfield? No I don’t.

Tyson and Bowe? Probably not either, maybe.

It’s obviously not a stretch to say he has the ability to be amongst them though.