Why didn't Usyk agree to the no rematch clause terms?

[BoxingParadigm]

It's kinda silly to ask a bunch of random posters, that have no real inside knowledge as to what happened during the negotiations, why Usyk didn't agree to the rematch clause.

But I'll bite... From what I remember the money split was the last hurdle, that was allegedly solved when Usyk accepted the 70-30 split and then Fury wanted to keep negotiating things into the contract. I think there was not a whole lot of time left before the fight date and Fury didn't even have his trainer scheduled to stay there with him for the training camp. Additionally, the 80-20 split in Fury's favor is just ridiculous. Usyk shouldn't have accepted the 70-30 in the first place, much less give Fury the advantage of having a 80-20 split in his favor for the rematch.

[IronDanHamza]

It's kinda silly to ask a bunch of random posters, that have no real inside knowledge as to what happened during the negotiations, why Usyk didn't agree to the rematch clause.

But I'll bite... From what I remember the money split was the last hurdle, that was allegedly solved when Usyk accepted the 70-30 split and then Fury wanted to keep negotiating things into the contract. I think there was not a whole lot of time left before the fight date and Fury didn't even have his trainer scheduled to stay there with him for the training camp. Additionally, the 80-20 split in Fury's favor is just ridiculous. Usyk shouldn't have accepted the 70-30 in the first place, much less give Fury the advantage of having a 80-20 split in his favor for the rematch.

Well, erm, this is a Boxing discussion board mate. Kinda the entire point of why we all come on here...

The split wasn't the last hurdle, the rematch clause was.

To which Fury offered a solution by getting rid of it, to which, Usyk walked away.

That's the timeline of what happened.

[BoxingParadigm]

Well, erm, this is a Boxing discussion board mate. Kinda the entire point of why we all come on here...

The split wasn't the last hurdle, the rematch clause was.

To which Fury offered a solution by getting rid of it, to which, Usyk walked away.

That's the timeline of what happened.

Not being critical of the discussion, that's why I'm here too, my main point is that we don't really know all the details. I think Usyk was jerked around enough to warrant him walking away, but again, that's not even knowing all the details.

[Toffee]

Well, erm, this is a Boxing discussion board mate. Kinda the entire point of why we all come on here...

The split wasn't the last hurdle, the rematch clause was.

To which Fury offered a solution by getting rid of it, to which, Usyk walked away.

That's the timeline of what happened.

But with the greatest of respect... that's the timeline Team Fury is pushing.

70/30 with a rematch under discussion is very different to accepting 70/30 without a rematch. They're not isolated events, they're part of a contractual discussion.

Fury played that game. The one that lots have bought into. The majority finally saw through Fury.

If you expected $10 for a product and I offered to buy 2 - $5 this time and $15 next time then you might accept. If I then said I would only buy one for the agreed $5... well you're not going to accept. That's what happened. It's pretty straight forward.

[IronDanHamza]

But with the greatest of respect... that's the timeline Team Fury is pushing.

70/30 with a rematch under discussion is very different to accepting 70/30 without a rematch. They're not isolated events, they're part of a contractual discussion.

Fury played that game. The one that lots have bought into. The majority finally saw through Fury.

If you expected $10 for a product and I offered to buy 2 - $5 this time and $15 next time then you might accept. If I then said I would only buy one for the agreed $5... well you're not going to accept. That's what happened. It's pretty straight forward.

I’m confused here.

They agreed on 70/30, right?

Then discussions began for the splits regarding the rematch clause, right?

To which the teams couldn’t agree on or seemingly come close to agree on. Right?

So in response to that, Fury said let’s throw the rematch clause out altogether and then from there Usyk team decided to walk away.

Am I missing something or is that not the chain of events?

[Toffee]

I’m confused here.

They agreed on 70/30, right?

Then discussions began for the splits regarding the rematch clause, right?

To which the teams couldn’t agree on or seemingly come close to agree on. Right?

So in response to that, Fury said let’s throw the rematch clause out altogether and then from there Usyk team decided to walk away.

Am I missing something or is that not the chain of events?

Just read my post again. I've put in the simplest terms I can.

They were negotiating a deal. That deal included money to be agreed and a number of fights to be agreed.

[dannnnn]

Usyk's side didn't walk away because of a rematch split, they did so because it was abundantly clear by that point Fury wasn't serious about making the fight. Anyone with two eyes and as many brain cells can see that.

It's pretty damning when even the Saudis are calling your demands obscene.

[786]

But with the greatest of respect... that's the timeline Team Fury is pushing.

70/30 with a rematch under discussion is very different to accepting 70/30 without a rematch. They're not isolated events, they're part of a contractual discussion.

Fury played that game. The one that lots have bought into. The majority finally saw through Fury.

If you expected $10 for a product and I offered to buy 2 - $5 this time and $15 next time then you might accept. If I then said I would only buy one for the agreed $5... well you're not going to accept. That's what happened. It's pretty straight forward.

Well put. Usyk's team were only willing to accept 70-30 if it was a two fight deal and they get a better split in the rematch. Removing the rematch clause meant that it would only be one 70-30 fight and that no longer seemed worth it so they walked away.

It took me a while but it makes sense. I think if the offer was 60-40 we probably would've got a fight but when it went down to 70-30 it all fell apart.

[Zelda]

I know this is late but I had a good back and forth yesterday regarding this topic of the Usyk-Fury breakdown.

Despite general consensus being Fury is the sole reason for the breakdown of this fight I'm of the opinion that Usyk is as much to blame, in the sense I don't believe either were keen on doing this fight in the UK and were more so posturing in the media when they both knew Saudi was is on the cards for a lot more money down the line.

For me, as soon as Usyk went from not accepting 60-40 to then saying he will accept 70-30 as long as Fury donates £1 Million to Ukraine it seemed obvious to me that they're not actually interested in fighting this summer and are trying to one up each other in the media.

The fight eventually broke down due to disagreements with the rematch clause, a clause that was originally put in by team Fury. To my understanding the split was 70-30, with the rematch clause being 50-50 if Fury were to lose. Another poster noted that if Fury were to win the rematch clause request would be 80-20 in Fury's favour which I wasn't aware of. Which team Usyk turned down.

Team Fury then responded by saying let's just scrap the rematch clause altogether to which from that moment Team Usyk decided to "walk away" and the fight was off.

My question is; Why not agree to the no rematch clause term?

Thoughts?

You make a fair observation but this site is full of Matchroom fans rather than boxing fans.

Fury would be willing to let go of a rematch clause more easily because he can position himself quickly for a title fight even in case he loses. For instance, AJ could offer a fight to most people and they would accept it because of the revenue he brings. The same would be true with Fury. But not necessarily with Usyk which is why he was insisting on either a 2-fight deal or at least a big-money Saudi deal.

Usyk accepted 20% against AJ so it is fair if he is offered 30% against Fury. Yes, he holds the belts but purses are based on your market value rather than the number of belts. To understand this, Eddie recently mentioned that Usyk might fight on the "undercard" of a Wilder-Joshua fight. I think casuals need to read this statement and get it...a unified champion holding multiple belts defending his title is fighting on the undercard of two non-belt holders. This tells you all you need to know about how purses are decided for those claiming "but Usyk holds more belts than Fury" because it doesn't mean anything.

Usyk would have initially reluctantly accepted the Fury fight at Wembley because it would be a two-fight deal to give him two big paydays and the other option was fighting mandatories for far less. However, after getting a deal with the Saudis, he got other options, and suddenly the one-fight deal did not look that interesting. That Saudi multi-fight deal will only give good pay if he holds those titles, not without them. In summary, it is a financial decision from both sides and I think neither side was particularly enthusiastic about a Wembley fight given what the alternate scenario could yield for them.

[JakeTheBoxer]

95% how?

Fury is the A side so obviously it's going to be him making the demands hence why Usyk "accepted" the 70%.

I used AJ as an example because he's just done the exact same thing and I can't understand why offering a solution to the rematch clause problem would be any kind of issue.

Fury is A side only against UFC guy.

Boxing world doesn`t care about this paper champ.