"Benavidez was dropped by Gavril"

[IronDanHamza]

Well I thought David earned the win but it's boxing and opinions differ so I ain't gonna push the point and yeah it's possible it is a sign of vulnerabilities that could be a sign of things to come but that ain't really the spirit of the kinda posts the TS was refering to I think. It's more like he was talking about the kinda people posting that Benavidez doesn't 'deserve' Canelo because he got knocked down by Gavril which to my mind is an absurd stance to take.

And no, it's not remotely comaprable to Jose Cotto momentarily stunning a young Canelo, I never said it was, although possibly you got me conmfused with someone else who did suggest that.

And yeah, sure, for those with eyes to see there were warnings that Broner might come unstuck - and that's fair to say about Benavidez too - likie I say I'm not unaware of his vulnerabilities andI ain't even a fan in particular - but once again to argue that he isn't worthy of a date with the Ginger One simply because he had a close fight with Gavril 6 years ago smacks of absurdity to me.

Strikes me that we may be arguing slightly cross puposes here though. All I'm saying is that the Gavril fight doesn't disqualify Benavidez as being considered a legitmate top contender at 168 and that it's ridiculous to argue that he's not good enough to challenge for Canelo's titles at 168 on the back of that historical performance, whereas you seem to simply be arguing that the first Gavril fight exposed some genuine weaknesses in Davids game which is a point I ain't even contesting.

I wasn’t referring to you specially I was just blanketing the posts in this thread in regard to that comparison.

There’s no doubt Benividez is a worthy opponent, he’s #2 I think in the division.

Although I’m not impressed by him really, he hasn’t really beaten anyone of real note.

But he’s a worthy contender regardless.

I just think it would be silly to not consider that performance against Gavril.

[Jsmooth9876]

The apple didn't fall far from the tree with the Benavidez kids. I hope he flames out like his trash brother did

[Mexican_Puppet]

That is exactly what is happening. The craziest part it is is that most of those people rooting against Benavidez and hoping for him to lose are Mexican Americans....while over here in Mexico most Mexicans want to see that fight.

Stop man.

Im a real mexican, I live here AND nobody know Benavides, or know who Is he

[Mexican_Puppet]

I agree he was young and has improved but I still don’t think it’s a reach when he arguably lost and to be honest it wasn’t that close, most thought Gavril won. To me it’s no different to when people excused Broner’s performances against Quintero and De Leon because he was “young”. These things do matter.

It’s not comparable at all to Canelo being momentarily stunned by Jose Cotto. He dominated every second of that fight other than that 30 seconds.

Exactly.

Good post.


David was losing the fight against Gavril because David skills ar?overrated, his defense Is mediocre AND he Is vulnerable to counters

Plant has very good skils counterpunching.

[deathofaclown]

People care way too much about knockdowns

almost anyone can be knocked down if they’re caught in right, or caught squared up or anything. It’s boxing.

You should only really care when it becomes clear that fighters get hit and stay hit and can’t recover well. That’s when it starts to matter.

[garfios]

I think benavidez can give anyone a run for his money. Yes, his resume doesn't have great fighters but, 168lbs is not the strongest. The ginger unified the division fighting saunders, smith and plant, none of them screams HOF. Actually at the time of the unification, the best 168lbs was benavidez, and he was not a champion. If you guys recall correctly, canelo was not thinking about unificacion while the kid from Arizona was the champ, actually, he said he wasn't going to fight another mexican, the last time I heard the kid is American, yes, his heritage is mexican, but I think canelo's refusal to fight another "mexican" has to do with the treat that this particular "mexican" presents, than his heritage. Now he can choose from two demographics, the Cuban or the "Mexican", because the division still sucks.

[Chollo Vista]

I wasn’t referring to you specially I was just blanketing the posts in this thread in regard to that comparison.

There’s no doubt Benividez is a worthy opponent, he’s #2 I think in the division.

Although I’m not impressed by him really, he hasn’t really beaten anyone of real note.

But he’s a worthy contender regardless.

I just think it would be silly to not consider that performance against Gavril.

He beat Gavril more clearly in the first fight than Floyd beat Castillo or Maidana in the first fight. Then he beat Gavril even more convincingly in the rematch.

I don't see what the hoopla about Gavril is and why they keep mentioning him. Gavril has nothing to do with what's going to happen to Plant

[IronDanHamza]

He beat Gavril more clearly in the first fight than Floyd beat Castillo or Maidana in the first fight. Then he beat Gavril even more convincingly in the rematch.

I don't see what the hoopla about Gavril is and why they keep mentioning him. Gavril has nothing to do with what's going to happen to Plant

He definitely didn’t beat him more clearly than they did but I’d agree with you those fights were comparable.

I’d also agree with you it doesn’t mean he won’t beat Plant. I actually think he probably will beat Plant.

But the performance against Gavril has to be considered when assessing. Surely?

I agree he has improved since then but it’s still something we need to consider when analysing.

[F l i c k e r]

I think Plant can beat Benavidez but I think Canelo beats Benavidez.

I just see Corrales, Margarito, JCC Jr rebranded there. Maybe he has more power than all 3, fair. But flat footed, square, fights 5 inches shorter than he is, wants to be on the inside.

If you can box, you can beat him.

[F l i c k e r]

Stop man.

Im a real mexican, I live here AND nobody know Benavides, or know who Is he

lol, this has always been a unique cultural thing to me. Because I get what you're saying 100% about the real Mexican thing. I just always found it unique like the guys born north of the border aren't exactly like you, you know?