Teddy says Pernell is higher than Manny on the All Time list...

[whirlwind]

dd,

What do you give more credit to:

Moving up in weight and collecting multiple belts
-or-
Dominating one weight class for a long time

I give twice the amount of credit of those who move up in weight and collecting multiple belts specially there is lineal title along with it. There's no need to argue that these are more difficult to accomplish as you are not only facing a bigger stronger man but the man who beat the man who beat the man. Doing it without any tune up when he moved up and defy the ancient saying "Good little man will always beat by a good bigger man" will only enhanced farther more their legacy as what Pac doing right now.

Dominating one weight class for a long time is kinda easy if you compare to moving up in weight and collecting multiple belts because the champ on his comfortable weight will just wait to someone will move up who usually the smaller man or someone who move down but drained himself in the process.

[El Chicano]

Since this seems to be up for debate, I've added a poll.

[Burner]

Whitaker would beat Pac in my opinion. If Pac thought JMM gave him hell, what would he think of Whitaker?

Thats why Floyd will whoop his ass.....

[-EX-]

Its Pernell IMO but not by miles like some on here claim. Pernell has a solid resume but its not legendary by any means...

Whitaker- Ramirez(past prime),Azumah Nelson very good fighter hall of famer, Buddy McGirt pretty good fighter not great, Haugen, Vasquez, shudda got the W against Chavez

Pacquiao- Barrera, Hatton, drained Morales, old drained DLH, Ledwaba, Marquez

Pernell would give Pac fits if they fought btw...

[LeftHookDonaire]

What do you all think?

Who's accomplishments are better and warrant a higher ranking on the ATG list?

Discuss.

If you're talking about greatness its pacquiao...

[dde91]

This is a pretty dumb generality. There's enough tape of great fighters like Canzoneri, Berg, Chocolate etc. to reveal a lot more than leading with faces. Those were highly skilled fighters who would be amongst the best in the world in any generation. They would never have physically lasted in all those fights without skill.

I can agree somewhat with Champ's post anyways; there is no reason to deny a modern fighter greatness simply based on a volume of record and Pac may well deserve to be top 30 already. It's incredibly tough to get that high for a reason. I've seen cases for guys like PBF, Hopkins, Jones etc. as similarly high. Considering the number of pros over the years, it's unlikely five or six of the top 30 fought in the last decade.

The men with volume who sit near the top all time do it because they also showed they could handle every style and had a depth of opposition which is staggering. It's a tough mountain for a modern to climb.

i guess im dumb to think that a 1920 boxer would get outboxed by an 2009 boxer. My bad, thought i was titled to My Own Opinion.

And early boxers where flat footed. Only Few bounced. They weren't boxers to box,they were in the ring to fight, because thats all they wanted to see back then. I beat if Pernall Whitaker was in a fight back then, they'd boo him off the ring for running around. Same with floyd

[whirlwind]

Thats why Floyd will whoop his ass.....

This will fall into woulda, coulda, shoulda caterogy right now.

Before these fights some people said that Barrera, JMM, Morales, Oscar and Hatton woulda, coulda, shoulda whoop Pac ass but we saw what happened.

[-EX-]

This will fall into woulda, coulda, shoulda caterogy right now.

Before these fights some people said that Barrera, JMM, Morales, Oscar and Hatton woulda, coulda, shoulda whoop Pac ass but we saw what happened.

Marquez gave Pacquiao all he could handle. He edged out a close decision in the 2nd fight.

Pac couldn't find Pernell on a map or with help from a tour guide...

[whirlwind]

Marquez gave Pacquiao all he could handle. He edged out a close decision in the 2nd fight.

Pac couldn't find Pernell on a map or with help from a tour guide...

That is what you called ass whooping in a close fight that can go in either way? Ass whooping is what Pac did to Barrera I, Morales III, Oscar and Hatton or knocking down JMM 5 times was less to say.

Pernell is a great fighter but this fight with Pac will fall in coulda, woulda, shoulda category if you know what I mean.

[Xcusemymood]

Hard to argue against this post! Good shyt! Should we even be mentioning pacq in the same sentence as?

Pernell Whitaker. Come on guys! For all who are anti-pbf sure are doing him a huge favor by hyping pacq this high. pacq is good no doubt about that, but he is far from great.

Well you could argue that Pea didnt beat Chavez. Since he actually didnt.

Not saying I agree with the descision but its a fact.