Teddy says Pernell is higher than Manny on the All Time list...

[!! Shawn]

Pea. If Marquez and Morales could outbox him for long stretches, an ATG in his best class would as well.

I agree, its really getting out of hand. Pac is quite a little fighter, but he is no Whittaker.

[horge]

Sweet Pea takes it right now
Depending on who Pac fights before retiring and how he performs, I dunno.
This ATG stuff is pretty subjective, no?

[Steak]

Whitaker's wins over Azumah Nelson, Julio Cesar Chavez and Julio Cesar Vasquez in particular are pretty amazing. hell, the guy almost beat a prime Oscar De La Hoya even being past his best, I had it a draw.

I hate to put down wins, but you have to admit that Morales and De La Hoya were pretty past prime(to say the least) when Pacquiao beat them.
Pacquiao's 1st win over Barrera cannot be denied, and I still see it as the best win of his career.
both Marquez fights were fairly controversial, I had Pacquiao winning the first fight by 1 point and losing the second fight. and that has to be taken into account.

Pacquiao has other very quality wins over Ledwaba, Larios and Hatton though, and you to give him a ton of credit for jumping around so many weight classes. what hes doing is a hell of an accomplishment.
but Whitaker himself had wins over Jose Ramirez, Greg Haugen, Roger Mayweather, Buddy McGirt, etc.

I think Atlas said that Pacquiao was still below Pryor though, which I laugh at. Pacquiao has surpassed Pryor, easily.

[!! Shawn]

head to head at LW pea would win, but head to head at 140, I think pac would win.

Oh come on. People are really really getting out of hand.

How would Pac beat Pernell?

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

Oh come on. People are really really getting out of hand.

How would Pac beat Pernell?

Anyone who would say that doesn't even know who Sweet Pea is.

[FaustoGeraci]

Is this serious?? Whitaker is light years ahead of Pacquiao, and he would make him look like an amateur if they fought prime for prime at 140.

[F l i c k e r]

Oh come on. People are really really getting out of hand.

How would Pac beat Pernell?

Exactly, how can Pac beat this?


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[dde91]

i thought we are talking about who is HIGHER on the ATG list. I mean Pea might beat Pacquiao in a fight because he would run the whole time, but resume and accomplishment WISE, Pacquiao all day. It is close, but not as close as everyone is saying.

Look, Duran is above Hagler on most ATG list, and Hagler beat him.
De La Hoya is above Trinidad on most ATG list, and Trinidad beat him (even tho it was a ROBBERY)
Chavez lost to De La Hoya and is above on most ATG list. The list goes on and on.

My point is made.

[dde91]

Oh come on. People are really really getting out of hand.

How would Pac beat Pernell?

Just like De La HOya and Trinidad beat him. Thats how.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

First Teddy Atlas is a straight up idiot!!!!!!!!

He was saying that Pacquaio wasnt great enough to be compare with the greates of all time wich is utterly bull****!!!!!!!!!!! He was talking about people in the 1900s and 1920s, that he didnt even saw fighting. And that youcant rank somebody higer than this guys, because they fought 100+ fights wich is ****** again. Different eras, different type and Quality of boxers, you ust can say that.. because I guarantee, that non of those guys, would of fought more than 50 or 60 fights in this era with out getting seriously hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, as of Pacquiao vs Pea, they are about even, but Pea edges Pacquiao by a bit, a Win at WW agains Cotto or Mosley, puts him ahead of pea and in the top 15 of AT.

Right now, for Me, I got Sweet Pea at #21 ATG and Pacquiao at #24.

And i dont care what haters says, pacquiao is definetly top 30!!!!!!!!!!!