Calzaghe beats Jones at any age.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Psyco Pelion...Your post's I have been reading show you are absolutely dumb as hell about boxing. In fact a joke. You base your logic off of the 1% luck happening, Like McCall beating Lewis. Just to show your logic is off base.

Douglas used his jab and movement vs Tyson who had never really faced a mobile fighter at that time who had a good jab. And Douglas did not move up 2 weight classes to do so vs Tyson

Mayorga vs Forrest came down to Forrest really fighting Mayorga fight the first time, and getting caught. Mayorga hits hard and always has a punchers chance. Mayorga also did not move up two weight classes to do so.

Not ****** to think Honeyghan could be Curry. Honeyghan also did not move up two weight classes to beat Curry.

Don't know to much about the others.


How does these fights have any bearance on logical thinking about Camacho moving up from 135-140 to beating arguably the 2nd greatest welterweight ever in history is clueless to me. Tell us all this exactly what is Camacho going to do to deliver this victory. He is not going to outspeed Leonard. Peak Leoanrd never went down, even when he fought Duran, hearns, middleweights, Benetiz, Kalule..etc. So a flash knockout is not likely. Camacho ran like a ***** when he felt the power of Chavez at 140. Hmmm so what would he do when he faced Leonards power at 147. I think you also forget the examples we have of Camacho at 147. Trinidad and DLH.

So if your on here basing your arguement on the mere reality that anyone can throw a punch and it land perfectly on the opponent then you may have a point. However, if we are having intelligent conversations, then you point about Camahco moving up to beat a peak leonard shows a lack of boxing IQ. Remember Leonard had a problem when he went toe to toe with Duran, or the reach of Hearns. Nothing a 5'6 1/2 fighter with 69inch reach, who is not a fighter like duran or Hearns will be able to do to Leoanrd. Or again we can see exactly what he did when:

1. he faced power in Chavez Trinidad..Dlh...Hmmm ran
2. He faced a fighter that could box use his jab and combinations at welter DlH...he simply got destroyed


Also in arguing your point about Roy Jones vs Calzaghe. Peak Jones stops calzaghe in 5. Easily. That slapping garbage is weak. No one give calzaghe props, because HE IS WEAK, AND DOES NOT DESERVE PROPS... S

Sure he beat old Hopkins, and old Jones. He beat a vastly overrated Lacy and the other fighter from over there. I am not saying Roy fought the toughest schedule either, but He did fight better competion than Calzaghe did earlier on. He beat Toney easily and Hopkins. Get this, this was when Roy had legs and movement, and did not simply go straight backwards to the ropes. In fact that is all Calzaghe at this point in Roys career had to do. Roy had nothing since he moved down from heavyweight.

I am not the biggest roy fan, but it is clear that he is nowhere near the fighter that stepped in the ring with Ruiz. Is it to hard to understand that losing 25 pounds of muscle damaged his fast twitch muscles and reaction and instincts, along with Age. Anyone that discounts the impact on roy the above had, simply does not know boxing, and refuses to accept facts.

The speed and counter ability of peak roy, the night he fought Toney, totally destroys Calzaghe at any time in his career. Again Roy would keep this fight in the center of the ring, and the shots that dropped Calzaghe in both his fights with Hopkins and Jones, are shots he would be "not seeing" the entire fight vs a peak Roy. His instinct where simply that split second fast. Last Saturday, he could not even hit a target square in his face.

Luck happens when you get laid,

not when trained professionals beat other trained professionals.

Reality>>>fantasy.

You're stuck on Fantasy Island.

The plane, the plane.


Point is,

Boxing logic doesn't always work.

Ask Christain Mijares.

You know, the boxer very heavily favored to beat and possibly KO the one dimensional Vic Darchinyan.

[Dan...]

Luck happens when you get laid,

not when trained professionals beat other trained professionals.

Reality>>>fantasy.

You're stuck on Fantasy Island.

The plane, the plane.


Point is,

Boxing logic doesn't always work.

Ask Christain Mijares.

You know, the boxer very heavily favored to beat and possibly KO the one dimensional Vic Darchinyan.

This post sums you up perfectly. The man raises several extremely good points of argument in relation to some ridiculous past comments you have made and you respond with a whole lot of bull**** and some nutso analogy.

Good job, you have made a total fool of yourself in this thread.

[Vasyl’s dad]

This post sums you up perfectly. The man raises several extremely good points of argument in relation to some ridiculous past comments you have made and you respond with a whole lot of bull**** and some nutso analogy.

Good job, you have made a total fool of yourself in this thread.

Saying trained professional fighters win by luck is a good point?



Talk about making one look like a fool.



Here ye, here ye boxing fans.


Anytime a fighter is favored to win, then proceeds to lose,

its because the other guy got lucky.

[Hester65]

Point is,

Boxing logic doesn't always work.

Ask Christain Mijares.

You know, the boxer very heavily favored to beat and possibly KO the one dimensional Vic Darchinyan.

Boxing logic would have told you that Mijares has struggled against every left handed fighter he has fought. Add into the fact that Vic has a unique motion, it could pose problems for Mijares.

Donaire showed some flaws that Vic has, but Mijares wasn't equiped to exploit those same flaws, which are still there.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Boxing logic would have told you that Mijares has struggled against every left handed fighter he has fought. Add into the fact that Vic has a unique motion, it could pose problems for Mijares.

Donaire showed some flaws that Vic has, but Mijares wasn't equiped to exploit those same flaws, which are still there.

and the reason Mijares was favored by the majority here?

Try these beauts,

better boxer, smarter, defensive wiz, etc etc.


Its why they fight in the ring and not on paper.

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Help me understand what Camacho ever did vs a top rate fighter like Leonard, who he ever hurt, who ever beat at welter, how can we ignore his efforts at 140 vs Chavez, or 147 vs trinidad and DLH...or are we to take your logic and hmmm Camacho beats leoanrd at welter when Leonard was anything but 40 years old and 6 yrs out of boxing....

Your logic means that if I throw a hook shot up from 3/4 lenght of the court and it goes in, then hmmm we should assume this is the norm and bet on it.....That is about as much of a chance that Camacho beats a prime Leonard at 147.


Tell us Based on what logical deduction could you put together a case that Camacho beats a prime leoanrd. That is simply the dumbest statement I have came across on here.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Help me understand what Camacho ever did vs a top rate fighter like Leonard, who he ever hurt, who ever beat at welter, how can we ignore his efforts at 140 vs Chavez, or 147 vs trinidad and DLH...or are we to take your logic and hmmm Camacho beats leoanrd at welter when Leonard was anything but 40 years old and 6 yrs out of boxing....

Your logic means that if I throw a hook shot up from 3/4 lenght of the court and it goes in, then hmmm we should assume this is the norm and bet on it.....That is about as much of a chance that Camacho beats a prime Leonard at 147.


Tell us Based on what logical deduction could you put together a case that Camacho beats a prime leoanrd. That is simply the dumbest statement I have came across on here.

Roy lost and would have fits with Joe in both of their primes, get over it already.


Sometimes the best boxer doesn't always win. I've given you examples, yet you want to equate it to "luck".

Would I favor Camacho to win that prime fight, no.

Could he possibly win, yes.

Its a sporting event.

Upsets happen.

What part of that don't you understand?

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Roy lost and would have fits with Joe in both of their primes, get over it already.


Sometimes the best boxer doesn't always win. I've given you examples, yet you want to equate it to "luck".

Would I favor Camacho to win that prime fight, no.

Could he possibly win, yes.

Its a sporting event.

Upsets happen.

What part of that don't you understand?

So your point in this thread is

There is a 1% chance Calzaghe beats Jones in his prime, not 0%

I agree. It's boxing

[Vasyl’s dad]

So your point in this thread is

There is a 1% chance Calzaghe beats Jones in his prime, not 0%

I agree. It's boxing

I'd say 45%.

You can believe its a one sided fight all you want.


Reasonable heads know otherwise.

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I'd say 45%.

You can believe its a one sided fight all you want.


Reasonable heads know otherwise.

Mr. Purple, it seems most reasonable heads think much closer to 1% than to 45%.

Note how it is is mostly you backing up your point, just by saying it is possible, and offering close to none in ring logic (minus 36yo JC beat 39yo RJ), whereas the non-reasonable heads tried to make their points based on stuff that relates to the fighters' styles. That doesnt bode well for a boxing argument.