Calzaghe beats Jones at any age.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I have outlined why I didn't blame Roy for not going after Joe. You cannot expect guy on top of the sport to go after some relative unknown minor champion. Good god, do you know how many fighters at around 168 and 175 held a status equal to or above Joe Calzaghe in the late 90s? You cannot fight absolutely everybody.

Richard Frazier.

[Vasyl’s dad]

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I am sure you had great reasons (I trust your decisions are supported by better logic then your boxing opinions).

I am just sharing my experience because I was amazed by the fact that you could buy an tickets at that discount, so next time you can take advantage of it. Ain't I nice? I teach you about oxing AND how to watch it cheaper in the rain!

Good night

eh, I already knew about fight time discounts. But thanks, much appreciated.

Nighty night.

[Dan...]

Richard Frazier.

Is that seriously all you have got dude? You know you still have not satisfactorily answered my question as to what status Joe had in the late 90s to warrant Jones pursuing a fight with him. Your only response so far has been "Champion".

[Vasyl’s dad]

Is that seriously all you have got dude? You know you still have not satisfactorily answered my question as to what status Joe had in the late 90s to warrant Jones pursuing a fight with him. Your only response so far has been "Champion".

What other status would he need?

Being a champion is the pinnacle of sporting success.

again for the zillionth time,

Both were at fault.

[El Jesus]

I am not surprised you never saw either of them, because you are fairly ignorant about this sport.

Anyway, in their primes Charles is 3-0 against Moore.

In the 2nd half of the 50s Charles was shot, while Moore was 175 champ and had only 1 loss in 5 years, against Floyd Patterson.

And Moore was older than Charles.

Clearly these two *facts* must be incompatible for you, right?

If im not mistaken, this is patterson before his injury, therefore this was when he was very very young, that is really impressive. infact. thats pretty damn incredible.

[El Jesus]

Roy has never drawn big crowds in comparison to Joe, ever.


Looks like another Joe win over Roy.

Tough ****, deal with it.

I dont know if you know, but outside of wales, Joe was not that popular of a guy, it wasnt until the lacy fight that the entire UK really embraced him. Roy was far more loved in the US than Joe was in UK at the point of Roys prime. If you followed boxing at that time, you would know Joe was largley regarded by his own media as a waste of talent since most of the best american opposition was basically passing him by. I dont know how you come to this conclusion that somehow its Roys fault he didint go to ****ing wales to challange a guy who was not that highly regarded at a time when Roys popularity was at a supreme apex and didint couldnt possibly fight everyone calling him out.

Basically people knew how good calzhage might be or whatever, but alot of people were frustrated at the fact that he was wasting away his prime against subpar opposition.

I mean look at the fights with tarver. Tarver chased roy about as bad as Vargas chased de la hoya. Thats the kind of determination it takes to make a fight like that happen, and it didint, not until roy was at the end of his time and this was the last fight that could display his relevance.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I dont know if you know, but outside of wales, Joe was not that popular of a guy, it wasnt until the lacy fight that the entire UK really embraced him. Roy was far more loved in the US than Joe was in UK at the point of Roys prime. If you followed boxing at that time, you would know Joe was largley regarded by his own media as a waste of talent since most of the best american opposition was basically passing him by. I dont know how you come to this conclusion that somehow its Roys fault he didint go to ****ing wales to challange a guy who was not that highly regarded at a time when Roys popularity was at a supreme apex and didint couldnt possibly fight everyone calling him out.

Basically people knew how good calzhage might be or whatever, but alot of people were frustrated at the fact that he was wasting away his prime against subpar opposition.

I mean look at the fights with tarver. Tarver chased roy about as bad as Vargas chased de la hoya. Thats the kind of determination it takes to make a fight like that happen, and it didint, not until roy was at the end of his time and this was the last fight that could display his relevance.

Step up your comprehension game. I've said numerous times,


its BOTH of their faults.

[I_Knockout_U]

If Calzaghe beats Jones at any age, why didn't he go after him when Jones was undisputed p4p #1? If I thought I could beat MannyPac, I'll call his lil ass out till the cows come home and if he refuse I'll call him a ****, insult his family, etc. I'd do anything to get him in the ring if I thought I could take him out.

Instead Joe waits here in Britain til he's in his mid 30's and where before 2006 he wasn't even known to anyone who's not a boxing fan so it's not like he had some big star thing going here.

[El Jesus]

Step up your comprehension game. I've said numerous times,


its BOTH of their faults.

thats the thing, i dont see how roy can be blamed for anything when its not his responsibility at the apex of his career to pursue fights from welshman unwilling to leave the united states and sacrafice pay and other dividends for a fight knowing you are not the marquee attraction. That is on calzhage, or actually, its really on frank warren. either way i dont buy the "both at fault" tactic, Roy was p4p number 1 and we all knew he wasnt leaving the united states and having solidified his position in the sport, he didint need to at that point.

[wpink1]

It is completely ****** and out of question to even mildly think Douglas could win a round vs Tyson when he was peak.

It is completely ****** and out of question to even mildly think Mayorga could win a round vs Forrest when he was peak.

It is completely ****** and out of question to even mildly think Honeyghan could win a round vs Curry when he was peak.

It is completely ****** and out of question to even mildly think McCall could win a round vs Lewis when he was peak.

It is completely ****** and out of question to even mildly think Darchinyan could win a round vs Mijares when he was peak.

Sounds completely ****** and out of the question doesn't it.


Pop quiz hot shot.

When did Roy Jones ever want a fight with Calzaghe?

Psyco Pelion...Your post's I have been reading show you are absolutely dumb as hell about boxing. In fact a joke. You base your logic off of the 1% luck happening, Like McCall beating Lewis. Just to show your logic is off base.

Douglas used his jab and movement vs Tyson who had never really faced a mobile fighter at that time who had a good jab. And Douglas did not move up 2 weight classes to do so vs Tyson

Mayorga vs Forrest came down to Forrest really fighting Mayorga fight the first time, and getting caught. Mayorga hits hard and always has a punchers chance. Mayorga also did not move up two weight classes to do so.

Not ****** to think Honeyghan could be Curry. Honeyghan also did not move up two weight classes to beat Curry.

Don't know to much about the others.


How does these fights have any bearance on logical thinking about Camacho moving up from 135-140 to beating arguably the 2nd greatest welterweight ever in history is clueless to me. Tell us all this exactly what is Camacho going to do to deliver this victory. He is not going to outspeed Leonard. Peak Leoanrd never went down, even when he fought Duran, hearns, middleweights, Benetiz, Kalule..etc. So a flash knockout is not likely. Camacho ran like a ***** when he felt the power of Chavez at 140. Hmmm so what would he do when he faced Leonards power at 147. I think you also forget the examples we have of Camacho at 147. Trinidad and DLH.

So if your on here basing your arguement on the mere reality that anyone can throw a punch and it land perfectly on the opponent then you may have a point. However, if we are having intelligent conversations, then you point about Camahco moving up to beat a peak leonard shows a lack of boxing IQ. Remember Leonard had a problem when he went toe to toe with Duran, or the reach of Hearns. Nothing a 5'6 1/2 fighter with 69inch reach, who is not a fighter like duran or Hearns will be able to do to Leoanrd. Or again we can see exactly what he did when:

1. he faced power in Chavez Trinidad..Dlh...Hmmm ran
2. He faced a fighter that could box use his jab and combinations at welter DlH...he simply got destroyed


Also in arguing your point about Roy Jones vs Calzaghe. Peak Jones stops calzaghe in 5. Easily. That slapping garbage is weak. No one give calzaghe props, because HE IS WEAK, AND DOES NOT DESERVE PROPS... S

Sure he beat old Hopkins, and old Jones. He beat a vastly overrated Lacy and the other fighter from over there. I am not saying Roy fought the toughest schedule either, but He did fight better competion than Calzaghe did earlier on. He beat Toney easily and Hopkins. Get this, this was when Roy had legs and movement, and did not simply go straight backwards to the ropes. In fact that is all Calzaghe at this point in Roys career had to do. Roy had nothing since he moved down from heavyweight.

I am not the biggest roy fan, but it is clear that he is nowhere near the fighter that stepped in the ring with Ruiz. Is it to hard to understand that losing 25 pounds of muscle damaged his fast twitch muscles and reaction and instincts, along with Age. Anyone that discounts the impact on roy the above had, simply does not know boxing, and refuses to accept facts.

The speed and counter ability of peak roy, the night he fought Toney, totally destroys Calzaghe at any time in his career. Again Roy would keep this fight in the center of the ring, and the shots that dropped Calzaghe in both his fights with Hopkins and Jones, are shots he would be "not seeing" the entire fight vs a peak Roy. His instinct where simply that split second fast. Last Saturday, he could not even hit a target square in his face.