Anybody Know Why Calzaghe Ducked Glen Johnson In 04?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Proven wrong countless times?

First you said Joe didnt mention Glen's name again after pulling out injured.

I proved you wrong.

Then you said Joe didnt mention his name after he he beat Jones and Tarver 1 and 2.

I proved you wrong again.

Then you said he didnt mention Jonhson after Jones and before he lost to Tarver.

I proved you wrong again.

Im bored of proving you wrong.

Your argument is "Joe ducked Glen because I say he did. No amount of reasoning will ever change my mind".

My argument is, "Joe pulled out of the fight but was still willing to fight Johnson but circumstances prevented it from ever happening.

It was on Calzaghe, Glen was ready and waiting. Nothing with Tarver was set in stone yet according to the link YOU provided. Joe could've put all of this to bed with something more than words. Again, it was nice chatting with you, good night.

First you accused Joe of ducking because he didnt "mention" Johnson. Now you say they're "only words".

Calzaghe wanted to fight Johnson. Johnson wanted to fight Tarver. Tarver wanted to fight Johnson.

Who's the odd one out?

[Haglerwins]

First you said Joe didnt mention Glen's name again after pulling out injured.

I proved you wrong.

Kind Of. It was pretty weak though. A red tape situation and I don't really believe Joe really wanted to fight after nothing but all these tough talk quotes in these articles. Why am I to believe he would've followed through on a Johnson fight if Woods was defeated, when he could've just fought Johnson directly? From my perspective Joe owed Glen a no bs fight after 3 opportunities where a fight that could've been made wasn't.

Then you said Joe didnt mention his name after he he beat Jones and Tarver 1 and 2.

I proved you wrong again.

Actually I never mentioned anything about Tarver 1 AND 2. It was clear I meant after Roy and before Tarver 2. Clegg put words in my mouth and assumed I meant both fights, because I'll be honest I replied to something you posted and didn't remember when the Lacy fight took place and lumped it all in to the same time frame.

Then you said he didnt mention Jonhson after Jones and before he lost to Tarver.

I proved you wrong again.

Im bored of proving you wrong.

This one is really terrible because you didn't prove a damn thing and anyone who reads this thread will echo the same thing. Joe was replying to Johnson according to the way that article was written out, to Johnson still fishing for a fight with him. If this isn't the case, I still see nothing in the article that states Joe called him out here.

Your argument is "Joe ducked Glen because I say he did. No amount of reasoning will ever change my mind".

That's half right. My opinion has now solidified after this article you linked because it's proof Joe could've wiggled in between the Johnson Tarver bouts and got a fight done. The one thing I only suspected were true, but had nothing to say "here, look"

My argument is, "Joe pulled out of the fight but was still willing to fight Johnson but circumstances prevented it from ever happening.

Uh huh. All the cal fan boys are saying this. You're satisfied with your guy talking tough and puffing out his chest, but there's no excuse why these 2 didn't fight, and Glen can not be faulted and it's not on him to wait for someone in contracted dates who can't get their act together to fight with some pain even if they have to. Another thing fighters do all the time.




First you accused Joe of ducking because he didnt "mention" Johnson. Now you say they're "only words".

I'll give you that. But what this ultimately boils down to is fighting and I would've mentioned this other stuff if I was even aware that Cal even uttered Johnson's name. Forgive my lack of knowledge a little bit here. This wouldn't have been my bait if I knew better

Calzaghe wanted to fight Johnson. Johnson wanted to fight Tarver (but clearly preferred Calzaghe going by the last link YOU provided). Tarver wanted to fight Johnson (Of course, he k****ed out Roy).

Who's the odd one out?

Now how that went down the way you're stating it, is entirely your opinion.

Okay, I hope this covers everything. Anything beyond this is going in circles. Ok and good night.

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CALZAGHE DUCKS NO MAN! remember when he offered pavlik a title shot when he had like 6 professional fights under his belt yea but pavlik turned him down! the greatest of all timeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Why am I to believe he would've followed through on a Johnson fight if Woods was defeated, when he could've just fought Johnson directly. From my perspective Joe owed Glen a no bs fight after 3 opportunities where a fight could've been made wasn't.

Calzaghe didnt need to fight Johnson at this point. Woods' people had offered him a massive paycheque to fight their guy. Yet Calzaghe still wanted Johnson to win and had an agreement in place with Johnson's people. Johnson lost. Thats that.

This one is really terrible because you didn't prove a damn thing and anyone who reads this thread will echo the same thing. Joe was replying according to the way that article was written out, to Johnson still fishing for a fight with him. If this isn't the case, I still see nothing in the article that states Joe called him out here

Johnson says he would fight anyone and that Calzaghe has to make up his mind. What Calzaghe said was not a response. He was genuinely calling out Tarver and Johnson. Saying his preferred option was Johnson.

My opinion has now solidified after this article you linked because it's proof Joe could've wiggled in between the Johnson Tarver bouts and got a fight done.

You really dont have any idea how the business works do you? If Johnson states he wants Tarver. And Tarver states he wants Johson. Then that fight gets made if there are no obstacles. It was the biggest fight out there for both of them. How could Calzaghe "wiggle in"? Thats sheer ******ity.

(but clearly preferred Calzaghe going by the last link YOU provided).

The link I provided clearly stated that Johnson's first choice was Tarver. The only way the Joe fight could've happened was if Tarver had to make a mando. He didnt. He dropped his belt to fight Johnson. So what could Calzgahe do? Nothing.

Bottom line - cant you just accept that the fight didnt take place due to the circumstances?

Calzaghe pulling out because of injury is not a duck considering how injury prone he's been. He pulled out of the Roy fight in September, but guess what - he'll be fighting him on Saturday.

Pulling out twice is a bit su****ious, I admit. And I believe the 2nd time was more down to the personal turmoil in his life. He was going through a bitter divorce and was arrested the week before the fight was scheduled. Not ideal preparation. I'd rather someone pull out than make excuses afterwards, wouldnt you?

The fact remains Calzaghe was ready to fight Johnson again a month or so later. I dont blame Johnson for saying "**** it" and fighting Jones instead. But that doesnt change the fact Calzaghe still wanted the fight. Even after Calzaghe beat Lacy when he was in a much better position than Johnson, he was still willing to give Glen a fight. If he really didnt wanna fight him, then why would he bother making arrangements when he had no obligation to do so or when he could've fought Woods for more money?

Dont see why this cant just be put down to circumstance. But whatever, Im getting bored of proving your theories wrong. My arguments are all based on facts and what happened. Yours are based on your stubborn assertion that Calzaghe is a ducker. Lets just agree to disagree.

[sparked_85]

Does anybody actually believe Glen Johnson would beat Calzaghe?

It would look like Calzaghe vs Charles Brewer. It would have been a great fight and I'm sad it didn't happen but having Glen Johnson on any resume isn't a be all and end all. Glen Johnson is a rough tough guy but has never really been an elite operator IMO. You can't be when you've lost to guys like Omar Sheika, harsh but true.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Does anybody actually believe Glen Johnson would beat Calzaghe?
It would look like Calzaghe vs Charles Brewer. It would have been a great fight and I'm sad it didn't happen but having Glen Johnson on any resume isn't a be all and end all. Glen Johnson is a rough tough guy but has never really been an elite operator IMO. You can't be when you've lost to guys like Omar Sheika, harsh but true.

No offence but that aint the point and I hate when people do that. I think Calzaghe would outbox Johnson fairly comfortably but fights arent won on paper.

Its a shame it didnt happen. But neither guy ducked or was at fault.

[sparked_85]

No offence but that aint the point and I hate when people do that. I think Calzaghe would outbox Johnson fairly comfortably but fights arent won on paper.

Its a shame it didnt happen. But neither guy ducked or was at fault.

None taken. The wider point is that Glen Johnson is reputable for the guys he has fought to the extent that hidden agenda's are looked for when his name is missing from someones resume. It's nonsensical. He is what he is.

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CALZAGHE DUCKS NO MAN! remember when he offered pavlik a title shot when he had like 6 professional fights under his belt yea but pavlik turned him down! the greatest of all timeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

So Pavlik had 6 fights under his belt in 2006?

[Chunk..]

Glen Johnson is Jamaican.

Carry on.

[Haglerwins]

Johnson says he would fight anyone and that Calzaghe has to make up his mind. What Calzaghe said was not a response. He was genuinely calling out Tarver and Johnson. Saying his preferred option was Johnson.




You really dont have any idea how the business works do you? If Johnson states he wants Tarver. And Tarver states he wants Johson. Then that fight gets made if there are no obstacles. It was the biggest fight out there for both of them. How could Calzaghe "wiggle in"? Thats sheer ******ity.

No. No. No. Johnson states I'm here and I'm ready in the article. He has no scheduled date. His first choice is Tarver, but he prefers to fight Calzaghe if he's serious. That is what is implied. Read it again. Whether you want to believe that is something else. It was on Joe to make the fight, not just talk about how he wants to fight. Whatever the case is, Joe could've put his hat in the ring, get in the way of a Tarver Johnson bout with a contract. This is not outside of the realm of reality that you're adamant is the case. Unlikely to occur, but Joe could've really dug in there and struck the iron while it was hot on Glen. What that would've shown people like me is that he really wants to fight and not just talk about it. Even if nothing materialized there I would've been fine with him trying to get Glen when he was smoking. I would've been like, "Ok, their original plans fell through but he still tried after he KO'd Roy when he could've just went on to somone else, so maybe he was just hampered with injuries at the wrong time and was serious about a fight."