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    Originally posted by Haglerwins View Post
    No. No. No. Johnson states I'm here and I'm ready in the article. He has no scheduled date. His first choice is Tarver, but he prefers to fight Calzaghe if he's serious. That is what is implied. Read it again. Whether you want to believe that is something else. It was on Joe to make the fight, not just talk about how he wants to fight. Whatever the case is, Joe could've put his hat in the ring, get in the way of a Tarver Johnson bout with a contract. This is not outside of the realm of reality that you're adamant is the case. Unlikely to occur, but Joe could've really dug in there and struck the iron while it was hot on Glen. What that would've shown people like me is that he really wants to fight and not just talk about it. Even if nothing materialized there I would've been fine with him trying to get Glen when he was smoking. I would've been like, "Ok, their original plans fell through but he still tried after he KO'd Roy when he could've just went on to somone else, so maybe he was just hampered with injuries at the wrong time and was serious about a fight."
    How can his first choice be Tarver but at the same time he preferred Calzaghe? That makes absolutely no sense.

    We are unaware of any contract offer to Johnson. Theres no way of really knowing. Frank Warren said he would be speaking to Tarver and Johnson's people. So I would think offers would've been layed out. But Johnson wouldn't have accepted straight away - he was waiting to see what would happen with Tarver. Tarver was the bigger fight, the bigger name, would've earned him more money etc etc.

    But Tarver wanted Johnson. Johnson wanted Tarver. Calzaghe couldnt stop those two fighting. What was he supposed to do?

    And you ignored my point about Calzaghe still wanting to fight Johnson even after he lost to Tarver. An agreement was in place pending the result of Johnson vs Woods. If he had never wanted to fight Johnson then why still be interested when he didnt need to fight him?

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      Originally posted by Bhopreign View Post
      Was wondering, anybody know?
      Because he didn't want to get pounded on.

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        Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK View Post
        How can his first choice be Tarver but at the same time he preferred Calzaghe? That makes absolutely no sense.

        It does. I can't really classify Tarver as #2 because nothing with Joe would go anywhere according to Glen and he assumes it wasn't a real option, but you can tell that's what he wanted above all else in the article. I mean, Tarver's a footnote in that piece.

        We are unaware of any contract offer to Johnson. Theres no way of really knowing. Frank Warren said he would be speaking to Tarver and Johnson's people. So I would think offers would've been layed out. But Johnson wouldn't have accepted straight away - he was waiting to see what would happen with Tarver. Tarver was the bigger fight, the bigger name, would've earned him more money etc etc.

        I don't know, despite this being true that article indicates to me Glen would've taken a good Calzaghe offer first if it was on the table, but like you said.. no real details there.

        But Tarver wanted Johnson. Johnson wanted Tarver. Calzaghe couldnt stop those two fighting. What was he supposed to do?

        Try to butt heads and throw his name in the mix. At least we could've had a Johnson, Calzaghe, Tarver round robin. He should've really tried to get between those 2 fights they had. Maybe you've got another wonderful link that can shed some light on why this didn't take place.

        And you ignored my point about Calzaghe still wanting to fight Johnson even after he lost to Tarver. An agreement was in place pending the result of Johnson vs Woods. If he had never wanted to fight Johnson then why still be interested when he didnt need to fight him?


        I addressed it the moment you brought it up, and again, a second time before this post some pages back.

        Why did a fight with Johnson have any stipulations? Why the red tape in order to fight? I guess it's Johnson's fault for agreeing to such a thing, but two wins over the man and former man at LH earns you some clout despite a loss, especially when he and Joe couldn't get anything done on 3 possible occasions beforehand and a fight between them was long over due over any kind of pecking order business.

        Hope that answers things for you.

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          WTH? I tried to give you good K for the debate and nothing happened? I didn't get a chance to make a message or anything.

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            Originally posted by Haglerwins View Post
            No Johnson was interested, just not interested in bull****. Glen was completely free after whoopin Roy and after the first Tarver fight no matter what happened originally between him and Cal. Jeff Lacy, instead of really pushing for a fight with the new KING of Lightheavy? ****, I haven't heard Joe Calzaghe mention a damn thing about Johnson after he knocked out Roy. He was quick to bash Roy, but not a peep about the Road Warrior.
            people who dont know shouldnt talk......Glen vs Tarver was fight most thought Tarver won...immediate rematch.... calzaghe was not even close to the level of fame Tarver had....It was good for Johnson to fight Tarver again(a fight he lost.....again)....

            at this time (l2005), Jeff Lacy was talking about moving up to 175 to fight Taver, a fight that had most fans' mouths watering, that prospect of a fight would be plausible if lacy were to beat that euro phag who didnt have a chance in the world....


            revisionism is sweet, but at that time, johnson didnt need calzaghe, lacy was perceived as a beast.......
            Last edited by -Hyperion-; 11-03-2008, 08:50 PM.

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              Originally posted by -Hyperion- View Post
              people who dont know shouldnt talk......Glen vs Tarver was fight most thought Tarver won...immediate rematch.... calzaghe was not even close to the level of fame Tarver had....It was good for Johnson to fight Tarver again(a fight he lost.....again)....

              at this time (l2005), Jeff Lacy was talking about moving up to 175 to fight Taver, a fight that had most fans' mouths watering, that prospect of a fight would be plausible if lacy were to beat that euro phag who didnt have a chance in the world....


              revisionism is sweet, but at that time, johnson didnt need calzaghe, lacy was perceived as a beast.......
              Perceived beast. Glorified prospect. Moved on from that quote though. I'm talking after Roy pre Tarver mainly. That was the most opportune time for Joe to get himself in on the action. Maybe Dirk will post another article on what happened there.

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                Originally posted by Haglerwins View Post
                Perceived beast. Glorified prospect. Moved on from that quote though. I'm talking after Roy pre Tarver mainly. That was the most opportune time for Joe to get himself in on the action. Maybe Dirk will post another article on what happened there.
                He pretty much just reiterated everything Ive been trying to tell you.

                After he beat Roy. Johnson wanted Tarver. Tarver wanted Johnson. Im sick of repeating myself. Calzaghe could offer nothing to Johnson that would stop him fighting Tarver. Nothing.

                Your other point about "red tape" is ridiculous. Calzaghe just beat Lacy. Johnson then signed to challenge Woods for the IBF Title. Calzaghe did not make Johnson fight Woods in order to fight him. Calzaghe also had a fight lined up with Bika. If they both won, they'd fight.

                It didnt happen. Move on.

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                  Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK View Post
                  He pretty much just reiterated everything Ive been trying to tell you.

                  After he beat Roy. Johnson wanted Tarver. Tarver wanted Johnson. Im sick of repeating myself. Calzaghe could offer nothing to Johnson that would stop him fighting Tarver. Nothing.

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                  '''How do you know? The article you linked clearly stated Johnson wanted him before anything was cemented with Tarver. Glen couldn't keep Joe's name out of his mouth. That poster went back and dug up an earlier post in the thread when we've moved on and clearly established Calzaghe had a window of opportunity to at least throw a contract Glen's way again after Roy Jones and no sooner, after their original agreements fell through. I would like to know why no attempt was made to do this and if there was, what are the details? This is valid stuff to answer here.'''

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                  Your other point about "red tape" is ridiculous. Calzaghe just beat Lacy. Johnson then signed to challenge Woods for the IBF Title. Calzaghe did not make Johnson fight Woods in order to fight him. Calzaghe also had a fight lined up with Bika. If they both won, they'd fight.

                  It didnt happen. Move on.
                  "Calzaghe has a “provisional agreement” to fight Johnson if he beats Woods." From the article you posted. That is red tape. They should've fought regardless, even if Johnson had to wait his turn. I know fighters do stuff like that all the time, but Glen and Joe needed to get it on at some point after 3 possible occassions for a fight to be made. Bad form on Glen for agreeing to those terms when he pulled enough weight to earn his fight without subjecting himself to that.
                  Last edited by Haglerwins; 11-03-2008, 09:37 PM.

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                    Originally posted by Haglerwins View Post
                    "Calzaghe has a “provisional agreement” to fight Johnson if he beats Woods." From the article you posted. That is red tape. They should've fought regardless, even if Johnson had to wait his turn. I know fighters do stuff like that all the time, but Glen and Joe needed to get it on at some point after 3 possible occassions for a fight to be made. Bad form on Glen for agreeing to those terms when he pulled enough weight to earn his fight without subjecting himself to that.
                    You're really starting to bore and annoy me. You simply wont listen to any reasonable logic.

                    Glen Johnson would not have just signed a contract to fight Calzaghe before he knew what was happening with Tarver. End of story. Tarver was the bigger fight worth more money and more recognition. How ****ing ****** would Johnson have to be to just jump in and fight Calzaghe who was unknown when he had a Tarver fight on the horizon??

                    Please tell me this is registering with you. JOHNSON WANTED TARVER. HE GOT TARVER. CALZAGHE COULD DO NOTHING.

                    What would Calzaghe's offer be:

                    Calzaghe: "Hey Glen, heres a tenner, come fight me in my own back yard. I know you could fight Tarver for much more cash but Im a bigger name.....in Britain"

                    Johnson: "Duuuuuh........ok then. "

                    Stop saying "red tape".

                    Calzaghe did not say to Johnson , "You have to fight Clinton Woods before you get me"

                    IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY.

                    Johnson signed to fight Woods because he wanted to fight him again. Because he wanted to fight for the IBF Title. What does any of that have to do with Calzaghe?

                    Calzaghe also had to beat Bika. Why isnt that "red tape"??? Calzaghe won. Johnson lost. They didnt fight.

                    GET OVER IT

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                      He broke his hand knocking out the guy his wife was fucking…

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