Anybody Know Why Calzaghe Ducked Glen Johnson In 04?

[El Chicano]

because glenn johnson is an ugly mofo and he has plenty wrinkles on the back of his head.

[Haglerwins]

You're really starting to bore and annoy me. You simply wont listen to any reasonable logic.

Glen Johnson would not have just signed a contract to fight Calzaghe before he knew what was happening with Tarver. End of story.

This is not the point. The point is did Joe even push the envelope to begin with? I mean.. he wanted to fight him right? Nothing was set in stone with Tarver and he could've made an attempt at one of the bigger fights of his career at that point.

Tarver was the bigger fight worth more money and more recognition. How ****ing ****** would Johnson have to be to just jump in and fight Calzaghe who was unknown when he had a Tarver fight on the horizon??

******? Glen Johnson's a real man for even entertaining the idea of dealing with Joe after knocking out Jones. He had no reason to mention his name EVER AGAIN but yet.. he just couldn't keep Calzaghe's name out of his mouth (as per your article linked) even with a potential bout with Tarver on the horizon. I wonder why? Read your own articles you link. Your guy didn't even try to get him in the ring after he was called out there. More grandstanding than anything.

Please tell me this is registering with you. JOHNSON WANTED TARVER prefered Cal by his language. HE GOT TARVER. CALZAGHE COULD DO NOTHING Didn't even try.

What would Calzaghe's offer be:

How about that there was even attempt for one, after Johnson pretty much calls him out to make something happen. Again, as per your article linked.

*snip

Calzaghe did not say to Johnson , "You have to fight Clinton Woods before you get me"

No. He didn't. That wasn't the agreement according to your link. He had to BEAT Clinton Woods to qualify to fight him.

IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY.

Apparently it did.

Johnson signed to fight Woods because he wanted to fight him again. Because he wanted to fight for the IBF Title. What does any of that have to do with Calzaghe?

Exactly my point, zilch, nada. Are you forgetting the argument? He never should've been in this equation, even by proxy.

Calzaghe also had to beat Bika

Wow, that was risky, those are clearly even terms for an agreement.

Why isnt that "red tape"???

For obvious reasons - one is a recent big fight champ/contender that fights a legitimate risk that could ruin everything for him, the other champ takes on a non title holding nobody for dead space on HBO, and had the nerve to look terrible doing it.

Calzaghe won. Johnson lost. They didnt fight.

GET OVER IT

You keep telling yourself that these two hadn't gotten it on to date because of happenstance. Whatever keeps you sleeping at night.

^ Absolutely ridiculous. More conjecture from you to get your point across and no substance. No matter how good it is, that's all it is. Stop it, you just like to shout and get the last word in, nothing else. It's nice that you waited to well after I left the board to reply when I waited a good while for you to reply last night when this thread was near the top of page 1 when we were both still here. Let me return the favor. I brought up two valid points in my last post that you only contest with opinion. It would've been nice if Joe made an offer for one, but alas.. still no info on that.

Still waiting on you to substantiate your claim Cal couldn't do anything to get in before Tarver when there's currently no evidence that he even tried during this period either. I say QUACK! until you post something outside of opinion. Whether Glen moves on to fight Tarver is beside the point. The issue here is what was Calzaghe doing to make this fight a reality other than breaking contracts, talking tough, and ultimately making uneven conditionary terms in the end?

You don't like the word? Well you're going to read it anyway! RED TAPE! The two should've just fought after long last. NO STIPULATIONS, I'm tired of repeating myself. Glen is the only one who made a mistake here after doing so well after all of that time in dealing with the guy by agreeing to fight Joe under any string loosening. I repeat, if anybody is at fault here it's Glen Johnson for conceding anything. If Joe really wanted to fight him, he would've fought him for Glen running his mouth about him twice.

What the hell does him wanting to fight Clinton Woods have anything to do with this? We're talking Johnson/Calzaghe, mutually exclusive, quit traversing. PERIOD. END OF STORY. I don't give a flying f--k who lost to who beforehand, and again, after all that originally took place Joe should've just taken him on just for Johnson running his mouth and practically calling him a p*ssy after 2 missed, but doable, opportunities, even if Johnson had to wait awhile once Joe held the cards, but no, what does this guy do? He comes at Johnson with a provisional agreement when he's in the driver's seat again instead of just settling it directly. GTFOH. I believe you, Dirk. Joe really wanted a piece of Johnson, you've convinced me.

Anyone else convinced Joe really wanted Johnson after reading this?

[ATFsven]

So people actually believe that Joe was afraid to fight Glen Johnson?

hmmmmm i dont think so.. he nearly had his ass handed to him a couple of times in sheffield by the VERY ordinary Clinton Woods..

(i havnt actually read all the posts, incase i have missed the point)

[Haglerwins]

So people actually believe that Joe was afraid to fight Glen Johnson?

hmmmmm i dont think so.. he nearly had his ass handed to him a couple of times in sheffield by the VERY ordinary Clinton Woods..

(i havnt actually read all the posts, incase i have missed the point)

Triangle logic not relevant.

[ATFsven]

Get bent with your triangle logic bollocks..
you are implying that Joe DUCKED Glen.. WHY would he be afraid to fight Glen??

[Haglerwins]

Get bent with your triangle logic bollocks..
you are implying that Joe DUCKED Glen.. WHY would he be afraid to fight Glen??

Read the thread. Triangle logic isn't bollocks. It's been proven time and time again in boxing that fighter A doesn't beat C just because B did.

[ATFsven]

Read the thread. Triangle logic isn't bollocks. It's been proven time and time again in boxing that fighter A doesn't beat C just because B did.

i do understand the concept of triangle logic... but what i am saying is on previous fights, what had glen shown that would have had Joe scared to fight him????

[IMDAZED]

i do understand the concept of triangle logic... but what i am saying is on previous fights, what had glen shown that would have had Joe scared to fight him????

Scared? No. Wouldn't like to fight him if he didn't have to. Absolutely. For the same reason no other light heavy is eager to fight Johnson. He's a lot of risk with little reward.

[Haglerwins]

i do understand the concept of triangle logic... but what i am saying is on previous fights, what had glen shown that would have had Joe scared to fight him????

That's what I want to know, because he had 2 occassions where he could've fought him and a fight never materialized by no fault of Johnson. The last one was when Johnson was hot and would've been a good pay day even if it were just for one fight. All I'm asking for is proof of an attempt that Joe went out of his way to get what would've been his biggest fight to date back then.

[bsrizpac]

^ Absolutely ridiculous. More conjecture from you to get your point across and no substance. No matter how good it is, that's all it is. Stop it, you just like to shout and get the last word in, nothing else. It's nice that you waited to well after I left the board to reply when I waited a good while for you to reply last night when this thread was near the top of page 1 when we were both still here. Let me return the favor. I brought up two valid points in my last post that you only contest with opinion. It would've been nice if Joe made an offer for one, but alas.. still no info on that.

Still waiting on you to substantiate your claim Cal couldn't do anything to get in before Tarver when there's currently no evidence that he even tried during this period either. I say QUACK! until you post something outside of opinion. Whether Glen moves on to fight Tarver is beside the point. The issue here is what was Calzaghe doing to make this fight a reality other than breaking contracts, talking tough, and ultimately making uneven conditionary terms in the end?

You don't like the word? Well you're going to read it anyway! RED TAPE! The two should've just fought after long last. NO STIPULATIONS, I'm tired of repeating myself. Glen is the only one who made a mistake here after doing so well after all of that time in dealing with the guy by agreeing to fight Joe under any string loosening. I repeat, if anybody is at fault here it's Glen Johnson for conceding anything. If Joe really wanted to fight him, he would've fought him for Glen running his mouth about him twice.

What the hell does him wanting to fight Clinton Woods have anything to do with this? We're talking Johnson/Calzaghe, mutually exclusive, quit traversing. PERIOD. END OF STORY. I don't give a flying f--k who lost to who beforehand, and again, after all that originally took place Joe should've just taken him on just for Johnson running his mouth and practically calling him a p*ssy after 2 missed, but doable, opportunities, even if Johnson had to wait awhile once Joe held the cards, but no, what does this guy do? He comes at Johnson with a provisional agreement when he's in the driver's seat again instead of just settling it directly. GTFOH. I believe you, Dirk. Joe really wanted a piece of Johnson, you've convinced me.

Anyone else convinced Joe really wanted Johnson after reading this?

Remember this clown told you NOT to use Roy Jones as an example. He reminds us that Roy tried to not fight Tarver so that's just like Joe and Glen. Roy ducked Tarver!

Except...well..he fought him 3 times.