Made a list of the 25 greatest fighters of the last 25 years...how bad is it?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Andre Berto is very similar to Zab Judah. In regards to hype.

As is Adrien Broner.

What all 3 have is uncommon is a lack of skills, a lot of flash in the pan, mainly because of hands speed, and a whole load of hype.

Judah showed nothing other than speed and explosiveness, as soon as Floyd got his timing and adjusted to his speed it was a wrap and a very one sided affair from Round 5 onward.

To zab's defense, he is better than Broner and Berto.. He isn't comparable to floyd, but Zab is definitely better than broner and Berto...

[IronDanHamza]

To zab's defense, he is better than Broner and Berto.. He isn't comparable to floyd, but Zab is definitely better than broner and Berto...

Is he?

I think they're very comparable.

[joseph5620]

Is he?

I think they're very comparable.

If he's better than either one it's not by much.

[Scott9945]

Andre Berto is very similar to Zab Judah. In regards to hype.

As is Adrien Broner.

What all 3 have is uncommon is a lack of skills, a lot of flash in the pan, mainly because of hands speed, and a whole load of hype.

Judah showed nothing other than speed and explosiveness, as soon as Floyd got his timing and adjusted to his speed it was a wrap and a very one sided affair from Round 5 onward.

Agree 100%. Nothing makes a fighter overrated more than excellent hand speed. For some reason they are always assumed to be "excellent boxers" because mediocre talents do so poorly against great speed. The fight between Lomachenko and Gary Russell was a classic example of how flawed that thinking is.

For the most part, Judah beat who he was supposed to beat and always lost the fights that would have put him at the top level. Unless someone thinks that if your best win was Cory Spinks you should be fast tracked to the HOF.

[Humean]

Mayweather would likely have defeated Tszyu but Tszyu would have stood a far better chance than most, the chances of Mayweather stopping Tszyu are pretty slim and I don't think Mayweather's style would be an especially unfavourable one for Tszyu.

Also Judah was significantly better at his peak than Berto or Corley. Judah was certainly overhyped due to his handspeed and his U.S passport but he was still a formidable fighter during his better years. Berto was probably a strong candidate for the most ridiculous hype job of them all.

Tszyu belongs in this top 25.

[IronDanHamza]

Mayweather would likely have defeated Tszyu but Tszyu would have stood a far better chance than most, the chances of Mayweather stopping Tszyu are pretty slim and I don't think Mayweather's style would be an especially unfavourable one for Tszyu.

Also Judah was significantly better at his peak than Berto or Corley. Judah was certainly overhyped due to his handspeed and his U.S passport but he was still a formidable fighter during his better years. Berto was probably a strong candidate for the most ridiculous hype job of them all.

Tszyu belongs in this top 25.

Talent and ability it's Judah but skill wise I'm not sure. I had Corley beating Judah.

I think the Floyd of 2004-2005 has a very good chance of stopping a prime Tszyu. Let alone that version.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Is he?

I think they're very comparable.

If he's better than either one it's not by much.

Berto and broner are more jeff lacy type hype jobs, winning paper titles and never really doing anything or having notable wins.. Judah while clearly not great, was a very solid fighter for many years..
Wins over witter, spinks, Corley are better than anything Berto or broner have done..

[Humean]

Talent and ability it's Judah but skill wise I'm not sure. I had Corley beating Judah.

I think the Floyd of 2004-2005 has a very good chance of stopping a prime Tszyu. Let alone that version.

Is skill different from talent and ability? I wholeheartedly agree that Judah was overhyped for his boxing skill simply because he had incredible handspeed but I don't think that means his skill level wasn't reasonably high. To me Judah's problem was primarily his mental state.

I'd say that accumulation is what gets to Tszyu rather than what Mayweather would offer. Mayweather had the energy levels around 04-05 that maybe could do it but I really doubt he'd stop Tszyu. I actually think Tszyu would enjoy fighting someone like Mayweather, unlike most. That doesn't mean he'd beat Mayweather but I think it is the pressure and the smothering tactics that were difficult for Tszyu rather than the moving speedster that was Mayweather. Tsyzu was a great amateur, at range he'd always have a chance even against Mayweather.

[Suckmedry]

watch him here boxing forrest ears off at the 1990 world championships and tell me kostya had average skills...

[billeau2]

Andre Berto is very similar to Zab Judah. In regards to hype.

As is Adrien Broner.

What all 3 have is uncommon is a lack of skills, a lot of flash in the pan, mainly because of hands speed, and a whole load of hype.

Judah showed nothing other than speed and explosiveness, as soon as Floyd got his timing and adjusted to his speed it was a wrap and a very one sided affair from Round 5 onward.

No...Zab has been fighting a while now, maybe not as a great, but Adrien Bronner has a ways to go before even being a legitimate gate keeper. Berto likewise.

We will have to agree to disagree. Judah has shown that he has skills his real problems are mental.

The version of Judah Floyd fought was lacking, Judah still presented a few problems for Mayweather, yeah after that Floyd did figure him out...Just as when Tyson fought Lewis at one point he hit Lewis with a shot and people stood up, but that version of Tyson could just be competitive enough to make it interesting for a round or so. In both cases it did not take a leap of faith to see that a better version of Judah/Tyson would have been competative in the ring.

When Tyson fought Lewis he was not technically a very old fighter, but it would be disingenius to say that the version of Tyson that Lewis fought was a legitimate representation of Tyson at his best, yes? Furthermore, when we look at ATG fighters one could say of Tyson that he was beat by most of the better guys he fought (Holyfield, Lewis) and consequently did not have an outstanding career, yes?

Yet if we took a short snap shot of Tyson at his best, a different picture emerges....some people still put Tyson as one of the most talented fighters yes?

Judah was similar in many respects. Like Tyson he never beat anyone that great prime...he never really went as far as people thought he would, yet, like Tyson he was a champion... he even self destructed a bit like Tyson, but nobody questions that Judah at his best, had the skills and raw talent of a great fighter. as much as we can say Tyson, at his best, is in a class with the great heavyweights, we can also say that Judah had enough weapons to be, at the very least, a challenge to a guy on Floyd's level....provided we take the best version of Judah.

Its misleading to confuse the obvious talent of a guy who made wrong choices and became marginal, but was at one point posioned for greener pastures, with guys who never were extraordinary. Its especially misleading regarding Zoo because the Judah that he fought was the absolute best version of Zab. But if you think the version of Judah that Zoo fought would be in a different class than Floyd, we can agree to disagree.