Made a list of the 25 greatest fighters of the last 25 years...how bad is it?

[IronDanHamza]

Tszyu has a chance of stopping anyone he lands on at 140lbs.

You're def underrating him a lot here.

And he def deserves to be hofer.

he belongs in any sensible discussion in the top 10 140lbers ever.

He was of the same school as GGG and Kovalev. Very technical punchers who place their shots beautifully.

And he had trouble with guys that closed in on him.

Floyd is actually a favourable style match up as he would give kostya room to work.

I think floyd takes a clear decision thats competitive in parts. We know floyd has a good chin and is hard to hit but kostya has a 50-50 chance of hurting or dropping him imo.

Floyd never faced kostya's combo of timing and power.

Kosta Tsyzu has no chance with Floyd at distance. None.

Floyd would absolutely pick him apart with ease. From distance, up close, anywhere. Like I said, two entirely different levels.

In my opinion he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall Of Fame. Maybe by today's standards he does because they seem to let anyone in, Tszyu being amongst that list of low standard entries.

Floyd has fought way better fighters than Tszyu. Tszyu has fought no one even close to Floyd's level.

As for Jr Welterweight, yeah he probably would be Top 10. By Jr Welterweight isn't a rich division.

[Suckmedry]

What do you want explaining?

His resume isn't good. What's his beat win? Judah? Sharmba Mitchell?

His skills are extremely overrated as is his power. Yeah he could punch but he's hardly the monsterous puncher he's being made out to be.

his resume doesnt have the glamour names in their prime but he beat a pretty solid list of fighters at 140. matched tough from early in his career he beat some solid names on the come up.

Also what he did to zab at the time was pretty huge. zab was looking pretty damn good, he was young and undefeated with speed and power.

Id say that was a solid A- maybe B+ level win


And if anything his skills are underrated. He's a highly technical fighter in the vein of GG and Kova.

[IronDanHamza]

his resume doesnt have the glamour names in their prime but he beat a pretty solid list of fighters at 140. matched tough from early in his career he beat some solid names on the come up.

Also what he did to zab at the time was pretty huge. zab was looking pretty damn good, he was young and undefeated with speed and power.

Id say that was a solid A- maybe B+ level win


And if anything his skills are underrated. He's a highly technical fighter in the vein of GG and Kova.

Pretty solid list? Like who? Ben Tackie?

His resume is not good at all.

The Judah win was a good win and obviously his best win. It's probably his only really impressive win. But at the end of the day it's still Zab Judah.

His power is nothing compared to Golovkin's or Kovalev.

His skills, average-above average at best.

[Suckmedry]

Pretty solid list? Like who? Ben Tackie?

His resume is not good at all.

The Judah win was a good win and obviously his best win. It's probably his only really impressive win. But at the end of the day it's still Zab Judah.

His power is nothing compared to Golovkin's or Kovalev.

His skills, average-above average at best.

Sharmba Mitchell
Ben Tackie
JJ leija
oktay urkel
ancient JCC
miguel angel gonzalez
diosbelys hurtado
roger mayweather
jake rodgriguez
rafael ruegas
livingstone bramble

id call that a relatively solid list of names. yeah its not the greatest but he beat who was around.

plus as was the common theme through floyds career, he did not want a bar of the fight.

also, if you think his skills are in any way average I'm sorry but you have no clue what you are watching. very skilful fighter who does a lot of little things that only people who have fought can recognise. not trying to have a go here just speaking the truth. theres only so much you can see in a fight if you have never fought yourself.

[IronDanHamza]

Sharmba Mitchell
Ben Tackie
JJ leija
oktay urkel
ancient JCC
miguel angel gonzalez
diosbelys hurtado
roger mayweather
jake rodgriguez
rafael ruegas
livingstone bramble

id call that a relatively solid list of names. yeah its not the greatest but he beat who was around.

plus as was the common theme through floyds career, he did not want a bar of the fight.

also, if you think his skills are in any way average I'm sorry but you have no clue what you are watching. very skilful fighter who does a lot of little things that only people who have fought can recognise. not trying to have a go here just speaking the truth. theres only so much you can see in a fight if you have never fought yourself.

Floyd absolutely wanted that fight. He was dying for that fight.

That list of names is completely unimpressive.

Ok you think his skills aren't average. I do.

He's a decent-good fighter nothing more.

[billeau2]

Tszyu has a chance of stopping anyone he lands on at 140lbs.

You're def underrating him a lot here.

And he def deserves to be hofer.

he belongs in any sensible discussion in the top 10 140lbers ever.

He was of the same school as GGG and Kovalev. Very technical punchers who place their shots beautifully.

And he had trouble with guys that closed in on him.

Floyd is actually a favourable style match up as he would give kostya room to work.

I think floyd takes a clear decision thats competitive in parts. We know floyd has a good chin and is hard to hit but kostya has a 50-50 chance of hurting or dropping him imo.

Floyd never faced kostya's combo of timing and power.

When Zoo beat Judah, Judah was at the top of his game and considered a fledging "great." I think this demonstrates that the speed of Mayweather would not be too great for him to handle... As a matter of fact I might put Zab on this "list" depending on when his career started.

its also worth noting that Hatton when he beat Zoo, while certainly being an underdog, was fleet footed, was not yet dry humping and hitting with only one shot, before dry humping his oponent, ergo, Zoo faced the best Ricky Hatton and the best Zab Judah. Zoo was a very well rounded fighter and should get mad props for his victory over Judah.

[Suckmedry]

Floyd absolutely wanted that fight. He was dying for that fight.

That list of names is completely unimpressive.

Ok you think his skills aren't average. I do.

He's a decent-good fighter nothing more.

okay fair enough well ill agree to disagree.

but can u give any evidence to back up that floyd was "dying" for that fight?

I mean i was only a kid back then and not following boxing like i do today, but i was under the impression that floyd sort of side stepped whenever tszyus name came up.

[IronDanHamza]

When Zoo beat Judah, Judah was at the top of his game and considered a fledging "great." I think this demonstrates that the speed of Mayweather would not be too great for him to handle... As a matter of fact I might put Zab on this "list" depending on when his career started.

its also worth noting that Hatton when he beat Zoo, while certainly being an underdog, was fleet footed, was not yet dry humping and hitting with only one shot, before dry humping his oponent, ergo, Zoo faced the best Ricky Hatton and the best Zab Judah. Zoo was a very well rounded fighter and should get mad props for his victory over Judah.

Handling Judah doesn't tell you anything about how he would handle Mayweather.

Zab Judah has little defense or skills.

Are we really going to act like Kosta Tszyu has any chance what so ever with Mayweather? Seriously? These are two fighters stratospheres apart.

[billeau2]

Kosta Tsyzu has no chance with Floyd at distance. None.

Floyd would absolutely pick him apart with ease. From distance, up close, anywhere. Like I said, two entirely different levels.

In my opinion he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall Of Fame. Maybe by today's standards he does because they seem to let anyone in, Tszyu being amongst that list of low standard entries.

Floyd has fought way better fighters than Tszyu. Tszyu has fought no one even close to Floyd's level.

As for Jr Welterweight, yeah he probably would be Top 10. By Jr Welterweight isn't a rich division.

Yes he has. he fought the best version of Zab Judah who, when considered at his best, and in consideration of his natural abilities, as well as his performance against Mayweather, is "close" to Mayweather.

[IronDanHamza]

okay fair enough well ill agree to disagree.

but can u give any evidence to back up that floyd was "dying" for that fight?

I mean i was only a kid back then and not following boxing like i do today, but i was under the impression that floyd sort of side stepped whenever tszyus name came up.

When Floyd moved up to 140 his one goal and focus was getting Kosta Tszyu. He knew it was a big name and very easy win. He was very vocal about wanting that fight.

In defence of Tszyu, he wanted it too.

Promoters and Showtime/HBO conflict halted talks, so Floyd fought Gatti instead.

Tszyu lost to Hatton and thus the fight was dead.

Like I said, Floyd was dying for that fight and he was very vocal about that.