Top 20 of all times?

[Japanese Boxing]

Much more than you, I'm certain. Are you going to sit here and say Ali slapped Bonevena to the canvas with his left hooks in this fight? If so, there is no need to continue this discussion with you. This fight is just one example.

It's very clear you have no problems making ignorant comments when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

It's also ironic that you would call Ali overrated with Jack Dempsey in your top 20.

Wow man, one fight as opposed to watching his entire career. G**** on pigeonholing your argument

He also threw it deep on the inside IRRC forcing himself to turn into it. That's a terrible argument on your part.

Don't waste time with this guy, I think he once said that Froch and Ward would not only beat but KO a prime Jones

Ward could definitely beat Roy. No doubt in my mind. I think Froch has a better chance than 90% of Roy's opposition. If your skills don't go away and power is the last thing to go, there is no excuse for Roy losing to some of the guys he did even later in his

[billeau2]

Thats why these lists are so contraversal. But some things are true: Certainly Conn had a very impressive resume. Jones had a better resume than Chavez...Chavez is imo perpetually overrated. And Ali is an ATG. If we could at least cut the fat off, i.e. the ridiculous statements, then it would be a start.

Heres the thing though these little misteps start to form a calculus and eventually every list will have some contraversy. Thats life....

[joseph5620]

Wow man, one fight as opposed to watching his entire career. G**** on pigeonholing your argument

If you were dumb enough to expect Ali's entire career in one post I'm sorry to disappoint you. If you're dense enough to believe this was the only fight that Ali threw left hooks, that speaks for itself and proves my point. Thank you for saving me the time.

[joseph5620]

Don't waste time with this guy, I think he once said that Froch and Ward would not only beat but KO a prime Jones

Looking at his responses, I can now see what you're talking about.

[mickey malone]

All the usual suspects, but if we're really talking, 'all times', Tom Cribb should appear somewhere on all of those lists.

[Japanese Boxing]

If you were dumb enough to expect Ali's entire career in one post I'm sorry to disappoint you. If you're dense enough to believe this was the only fight that Ali threw left hooks, that speaks for itself and proves my point. Thank you for saving me the time.

I never said it was the only fight either, I look at his career, overall, his left hook was thrown on the outside usually to set up a right straight. He wouldn't go inside with it, most of the time when it happened it was because his opponents overstepped their distance. Your counter argument wasn't even a valid point to what I said at all. You're calling me dense but you can't think beyond one instance apparently. Even so, he had a ****load of fights, not every hook is going to be on the outside set up or a slap, but the fact is you're pigeonholing what he did overall. I'm sorry if you take it as a personal insult, go outside.

[mickey malone]

If this is ''ALL TIMES'' the pioneers of prizefighting, really need to be looked at,, footage or not, they started it, and there were era's uncovered thus far

[LacedUp]

I would rate the Haugen win along with the less significant title wins by Jones. That was a mismatch that means nothing on his resume.

Well the Haugen win was significant for Chavez' career, in terms of many people believing that he was only fighting cab drivers, despite having beaten Taylor and Camacho already. It was a huge occassion - and how many 100 thousands watched the fight? That was why I included him in the list. A fight can be significant for various reasons in my opinion.

Tarver's nothing special but neither are any of those fighters you listed for Chavez. Do you think Roger Mayweather is special? Greg Haugen?

Of course it's significant he was equaling a record only done by one man when he beat Tarver.

And comparing Cloud to Tarver is ridiculous.

Who is having a discussion about Chavez being Top 20 or not? I'm not.

Conn's resume is leagues better than Chavez'. Literally leagues better.

He's more skilled and has a way better resume.

He's clearly greater than Chavez I can't see how it's even debatable.

Chavez is an overrated fighter to be honest. How on Earth is Chavez a Top 20 ATG? Top 15 actually on your list.

I don't think they were special, just pretty good wins. I was joking about Travoris Cloud I just thought it was a funny comparison.

I never rated Tarver that highly. He was a good fighter, but a prime Roy wouldn't have had any problems with him whatsoever.

The thing about Chavez vs Roy Jones is that I have a hard time thinking of someone I wanted Chavez to fight. He literally fought everyone. He defended against all the contenders both at super feather and at light weight.

I think I can name a good few people I would have liked to see Roy fight. Not saying he was ducking or anything, but people from his era that are missing on his resume.

[LacedUp]

LacedUp are you going to respond to post 49?

Where do I start?

Jimmy Wilde fought in boxing booths hundreds and hundreds of times, and he was undefeated in more than 100 contests as a professional, clearly one of the greatest punchers of all times and the best flyweight of all times.

He lost his first because of sickness vs Tancy Lee, but avenged it afterwards with a devastating performance. He beat both Symonds and Rosner who were recognized champions and he beat them both by knockout.

I think it was Zulu Kid who was recognized as world champion in America and he completely battered him as well. He also went on the beat plenty featherweights in Britain and unfortunately lost when he stepped up to face the bantamweight champion.
I believe he had reached approximately 1000 fights when he was done, 150 or so as a pro with only a couple of defeats.

From what I read, he was like a jack dempsey of the smaller weights and Gene Tunney also said he was the greatest fighter he ever saw. He had an incredible career and I don't think there's any doubt that he's in the top 20 of all times.

[Anthony342]

So if Chavez fought everyone, how is he not an ATG and how does he have a weak resume? Who could he have fought and beat that would've given him a stronger resume?