Top 20 of all times?

[LacedUp]

So if Chavez fought everyone, how is he not an ATG and how does he have a weak resume? Who could he have fought and beat that would've given him a stronger resume?

I don't think we're discussing whether or not he's an all time great. I think everyone is on the same level with that one.

It's more about how highly he ranks.

[Anthony342]

But people are saying his resume is not that good. This is the first I'm hearing of this. How is his resume not that good if he fought everyone there was to fight? Was it a weak era for the weight classes he fought in during his prime?

[soul_survivor]

But people are saying his resume is not that good. This is the first I'm hearing of this. How is his resume not that good if he fought everyone there was to fight? Was it a weak era for the weight classes he fought in during his prime?

JCC beat everyone there was to beat, he was in a godo era of LWs and LWWs and beat anyone and every one that mattered. When people say RJJs resume is on par it's because they don't know the guys that JCC fought.

[LacedUp]

But people are saying his resume is not that good. This is the first I'm hearing of this. How is his resume not that good if he fought everyone there was to fight? Was it a weak era for the weight classes he fought in during his prime?

There wasn't a big dance-partner for him in his prime no. But he did swipe all competition and concluded the longest winning streak in boxing history if i'm not mistaken.

[IronDanHamza]

Where do I start?

Jimmy Wilde fought in boxing booths hundreds and hundreds of times, and he was undefeated in more than 100 contests as a professional, clearly one of the greatest punchers of all times and the best flyweight of all times.

He lost his first because of sickness vs Tancy Lee, but avenged it afterwards with a devastating performance. He beat both Symonds and Rosner who were recognized champions and he beat them both by knockout.

I think it was Zulu Kid who was recognized as world champion in America and he completely battered him as well. He also went on the beat plenty featherweights in Britain and unfortunately lost when he stepped up to face the bantamweight champion.
I believe he had reached approximately 1000 fights when he was done, 150 or so as a pro with only a couple of defeats.

From what I read, he was like a jack dempsey of the smaller weights and Gene Tunney also said he was the greatest fighter he ever saw. He had an incredible career and I don't think there's any doubt that he's in the top 20 of all times.

There's a whole load of doubt.

You haven't actually explained anything in your post as to why Wilde is a Top 20 ATG other than naming guys who were frankly not good fighters.

His resume is not very good. Absolutely pales in comparison to Roy Jones resume.

[IronDanHamza]

JCC beat everyone there was to beat, he was in a godo era of LWs and LWWs and beat anyone and every one that mattered. When people say RJJs resume is on par it's because they don't know the guys that JCC fought.

I followed Chavez career from the very start.

How is his resume leagues above Roy Jones?

[IronDanHamza]

But people are saying his resume is not that good. This is the first I'm hearing of this. How is his resume not that good if he fought everyone there was to fight? Was it a weak era for the weight classes he fought in during his prime?

Well just take a lot at it yourself.

What's his best win? Meldrick Taylor? Rosario? Camacho? Hardly a murderers row.

Obviously he has a good resume and is an ATG and one of the fighters of his era. But in comparison to others? It's not that great.

[billeau2]

Well just take a lot at it yourself.

What's his best win? Meldrick Taylor? Rosario? Camacho? Hardly a murderers row.

Obviously he has a good resume and is an ATG and one of the fighters of his era. But in comparison to others? It's not that great.

Your dealing with a sociological force here. Some things in boxing have become part of the sport. For example, the cult of JOnes....Roy will always be heralded because of his athletic abilities. People will always argue for his greatness despite his choices to use the latter part of his career as a foil rather than taking on all commers.

Chavez will always be overrated. He became the next Mexican fighter in a line of succession. People will always put him on a pedestial.

Guys like Conn are often spoken of as almost beating Joe Louis when in fact Conn was a fantastic fighter who beat superb comp and would have bested Louis in a 12 round fight.

[LacedUp]

There's a whole load of doubt.

You haven't actually explained anything in your post as to why Wilde is a Top 20 ATG other than naming guys who were frankly not good fighters.

His resume is not very good. Absolutely pales in comparison to Roy Jones resume.

Not very good.. they were good for his era and that's all you can say about fighters.

Was he not one of the greatest punchers of all times? First genuine flyweight champion, captured the imagination of the world, fought everyone in and around his weightclass, one of the first genuinely captivating smaller weight champions, continuously fought bigger guys, undefeated for more than a hundred fights...

Boxing has changed from 1910's to 1990's Dan. It's not only about resume, it's about what you have done for boxing.

[joseph5620]

Well just take a lot at it yourself.

What's his best win? Meldrick Taylor? Rosario? Camacho? Hardly a murderers row.

Obviously he has a good resume and is an ATG and one of the fighters of his era. But in comparison to others? It's not that great.

A lot of people are also not looking at the timing of the fights. Camacho was clearly not what he was earlier in his career at the time the fight was made. In my opinion Chavez should have lost to Taylor the first time. The Rosario fight was his most impressive to me.

Saying that, there is a very long list of fighters with better resumes and certainly at least 20.