Top 20 of all times?

[IronDanHamza]

OK it was a good win. But nothing more than that. Let's not forget that Roy was expected to win by a countrymile and struggled. He was supposed to just turn up and collect his money and Tarver's belts. I believe he was a 5-1 favourite.

I meant Conn, Pacquiao and Mayweather.

Well barely any of those wins for Chavez are nothing more than that.

Why would you be referring to Conn when the three fighters I was referring to were Chavez, Mayweather and Pacquaio being in the Top 20 as opposed to Conn.

If you were conferring to Conn then what does that have to do with that I was saying? It doesn't make sense for you to be referring to Conn there.

And Conn is clearly greater than Chavez anyway.

[LacedUp]

Well barely any of those wins for Chavez are nothing more than that.

Why would you be referring to Conn when the three fighters I was referring to were Chavez, Mayweather and Pacquaio being in the Top 20 as opposed to Conn.

If you were conferring to Conn then what does that have to do with that I was saying? It doesn't make sense for you to be referring to Conn there.

And Conn is clearly greater than Chavez anyway.

I disagree. the haugen, taylor, rosario et al fights are imo better wins in quality and in significance. The tarver fight was barely significant for Roy. admittedly, he was nowhere near as great as he was a couple of years before, so he gets some credit for beating Tarver - but i don't really think tarver ever was anything special, do you? He was the Travoris Cloud of his day. haha.

You said 'I don't see how chavez, mayweather pacquiao are top 20, but conn not be' - seeing as we are having a discussion about why chavez is top 20, i thought you'd pick up that I obviously wasn't referring to him when I said none of those guys were in the top 20. As in, neither pacquiao, mayweather or conn.

I don't think Conn is greater than Chavez at all. He would rank around 40 for me.

EDIT: Just looked at Conn's resume again.

Babe Risko, Fred Apostoli, Vince Dundee, Melio Bettina,Teddy Yarosz, Young Corbett, Solly Krieger, Gus Lesnevich and Tony Zale.. and of course zivic. Not to mention his fights with Louis. Savold was also a big puncher and proved he could take a helluva shot.

I don't know. I may have to revise that one. The guy has a pretty good resume. Seems like he fought everyone. Specifically from 37-41.

[Scott9945]

I disagree. the haugen, taylor, rosario et al fights are imo better wins in quality and in significance. The tarver fight was barely significant for Roy. admittedly, he was nowhere near as great as he was a couple of years before, so he gets some credit for beating Tarver - but i don't really think tarver ever was anything special, do you? He was the Travoris Cloud of his day. haha.

You said 'I don't see how chavez, mayweather pacquiao are top 20, but conn not be' - seeing as we are having a discussion about why chavez is top 20, i thought you'd pick up that I obviously wasn't referring to him when I said none of those guys were in the top 20. As in, neither pacquiao, mayweather or conn.

I don't think Conn is greater than Chavez at all. He would rank around 40 for me.

EDIT: Just looked at Conn's resume again.

Babe Risko, Fred Apostoli, Vince Dundee, Melio Bettina,Teddy Yarosz, Young Corbett, Solly Krieger, Gus Lesnevich and Tony Zale.. and of course zivic. Not to mention his fights with Louis. Savold was also a big puncher and proved he could take a helluva shot.

I don't know. I may have to revise that one. The guy has a pretty good resume. Seems like he fought everyone. Specifically from 37-41.

I would rate the Haugen win along with the less significant title wins by Jones. That was a mismatch that means nothing on his resume.

[Japanese Boxing]

You also once said Ali had no left hook. Your credibility on the subject of Ali ended right there.

Do you watch Ali? He slapped with his left hook more than anything. He rarely did a full turn into it especially when finishing off a combo. He usually stopped on a left which is a standard, but he rarely turned into the finish. If you think I lost all credibility then I guess you flat out don't watch boxing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ali has ruined more careers than he has helped. He is a great athlete, a fantastic boxer, but a lot like Roy Jones, his athleticism carried him in situations where his boxing lacked. Great fighter, one of the greatest, but there have been countless other greats in this sport. Nothing is definitive when we're talking P4P so the reason you guys are getting so butthurt is beyond me.

I respect Ali, but he not immune to criticism.

[IronDanHamza]

I disagree. the haugen, taylor, rosario et al fights are imo better wins in quality and in significance. The tarver fight was barely significant for Roy. admittedly, he was nowhere near as great as he was a couple of years before, so he gets some credit for beating Tarver - but i don't really think tarver ever was anything special, do you? He was the Travoris Cloud of his day. haha.

Tarver's nothing special but neither are any of those fighters you listed for Chavez. Do you think Roger Mayweather is special? Greg Haugen?

Of course it's significant he was equaling a record only done by one man when he beat Tarver.

And comparing Cloud to Tarver is ridiculous.

You said 'I don't see how chavez, mayweather pacquiao are top 20, but conn not be' - seeing as we are having a discussion about why chavez is top 20, i thought you'd pick up that I obviously wasn't referring to him when I said none of those guys were in the top 20. As in, neither pacquiao, mayweather or conn.

Who is having a discussion about Chavez being Top 20 or not? I'm not.

I don't think Conn is greater than Chavez at all. He would rank around 40 for me.

EDIT: Just looked at Conn's resume again.

Babe Risko, Fred Apostoli, Vince Dundee, Melio Bettina,Teddy Yarosz, Young Corbett, Solly Krieger, Gus Lesnevich and Tony Zale.. and of course zivic. Not to mention his fights with Louis. Savold was also a big puncher and proved he could take a helluva shot.

I don't know. I may have to revise that one. The guy has a pretty good resume. Seems like he fought everyone. Specifically from 37-41.

Conn's resume is leagues better than Chavez'. Literally leagues better.

He's more skilled and has a way better resume.

He's clearly greater than Chavez I can't see how it's even debatable.

Chavez is an overrated fighter to be honest. How on Earth is Chavez a Top 20 ATG? Top 15 actually on your list.

[joseph5620]

Do you watch Ali? He slapped with his left hook more than anything. He rarely did a full turn into it especially when finishing off a combo. He usually stopped on a left which is a standard, but he rarely turned into the finish. If you think I lost all credibility then I guess you flat out don't watch boxing.

I respect Ali, but he not immune to criticism.

Much more than you, I'm certain. Are you going to sit here and say Ali slapped Bonevena to the canvas with his left hooks in this fight? If so, there is no need to continue this discussion with you. This fight is just one example.

It's very clear you have no problems making ignorant comments when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

It's also ironic that you would call Ali overrated with Jack Dempsey in your top 20.

[IronDanHamza]

I would rate the Haugen win along with the less significant title wins by Jones. That was a mismatch that means nothing on his resume.

Exactly.

People talk about Roy Jones' resume. Look at Chavez resume. It's not really not that great at all.

Touting names like Roger Mayweather and Greg Haugen. How are they any better than Montel Griffin and Virgil Hill?

What are his best wins? Rosario and Taylor?

[RubenSonny]

LacedUp are you going to respond to post 49?

[RubenSonny]

Much more than you, I'm certain. Are you going to sit here and say Ali slapped Bonevena to the canvas with his left hooks in this fight? If so, there is no need to continue this discussion with you. This fight is just one example.

It's very clear you have no problems making ignorant comments when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

It's also ironic that you would call Ali overrated with Jack Dempsey in your top 20.

Don't waste time with this guy, I think he once said that Froch and Ward would not only beat but KO a prime Jones

[GeneralZod]

Exactly.

People talk about Roy Jones' resume. Look at Chavez resume. It's not really not that great at all.

Touting names like Roger Mayweather and Greg Haugen. How are they any better than Montel Griffin and Virgil Hill?

What are his best wins? Rosario and Taylor?

Was the Haugen fight not made because of Greg accusing Chavez of having piss poor opponents? I'm interested in the story behind that.