Top 20 of all times?

[LacedUp]

Here's a crack at my top 20 ATG list. There are a few notables I've left out, but it is mainly down to me not being able to give an accurate enough account of their status as ATGs.

Who's on your list?

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Jack Johnson
8. Roberto Duran
9. Willie Pep
10. Gene Tunney
11. Micky Walker
12. Sam Langford
13. Julio Cesar Chavez
14. Joe Gans
15. Archie Moore
16. Sugar Ray Leonard
17. Jack Dempsey
18. Kid Chocolate
19. Jimmy Wilde
20. Barbados Joe Walcott

[IronDanHamza]

I'll just repost from the other thread;

I don't have a specific Top 20. I posted it in the other thread.

Here's my Top 10;

1. Robinson
2. Greb
3. Charles
4. Langford
5. Armstrong
6. B.Leonard
7. Fitzsimmons
8. Duran
9. Moore
10. Pep

Then like I said I don't have an order from the Top 20 because everytime I try it I change my mind and end up giving up but it would include guys like this

No order

Jimmy Mclarnin
Ray Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Gene Tunney
Kid Gavilan
Micky Walker

There's 7 who I think I would definitely include in my Top 20.

The last 3 slots are fought for by the likes of;

Barney Ross
Tony Canzoneri
Carlos Monzon
Charley Burley
Joe Walcott

etc

That's off the top of my head so I know I'll have missed some out.

[LacedUp]

I'll just repost from the other thread;

I don't have a specific Top 20. I posted it in the other thread.

Here's my Top 10;

1. Robinson
2. Greb
3. Charles
4. Langford
5. Armstrong
6. B.Leonard
7. Fitzsimmons
8. Duran
9. Moore
10. Pep

Then like I said I don't have an order from the Top 20 because everytime I try it I change my mind and end up giving up but it would include guys like this

No order

Jimmy Mclarnin
Ray Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Gene Tunney
Kid Gavilan
Micky Walker

There's 7 who I think I would definitely include in my Top 20.

The last 3 slots are fought for by the likes of;

Barney Ross
Tony Canzoneri
Carlos Monzon
Charley Burley
Joe Walcott

etc

That's off the top of my head so I know I'll have missed some out.

Thanks for that. Though I think Charles should have been on mine, top 3? I think that's higher than I see mostly, but a great fighter no doubt. Fitzsimmons #7? High for me too, but as a brit I can appreciate it!

Good names though. I love Carlos Monzon too, he could have cracked my top 20-

[IronDanHamza]

Thanks for that. Though I think Charles should have been on mine, top 3? I think that's higher than I see mostly, but a great fighter no doubt. Fitzsimmons #7? High for me too, but as a brit I can appreciate it!

Good names though. I love Carlos Monzon too, he could have cracked my top 20-

I think Charles has a case to be the greatest fighter that's ever lived. I don't see many with a better resume than him and his skills are as good as anyone's in the history of the sport.

Fitzsimmons resume is Top 10 calibur, I don't see that as questionable. H2H I could see why someone would leave him out, that said, he's one of the hardest punchers of all time IMO.

I'm British myself but that wasn't my reasoning for including him.

Monzon's my all time favourite fighter, he's the first fighter I leigtimately followed along with Alexis Arguello. Both have soft spots in my heart which could be why I included him. I do think he's that calibur though.

[Bolo Punch]

I think Charles has a case to be the greatest fighter that's ever lived. I don't see many with a better resume than him and his skills are as good as anyone's in the history of the sport.

Fitzsimmons resume is Top 10 calibur, I don't see that as questionable. H2H I could see why someone would leave him out, that said, he's one of the hardest punchers of all time IMO.

I'm British myself but that wasn't my reasoning for including him.

Monzon's my all time favourite fighter, he's the first fighter I leigtimately followed along with Alexis Arguello. Both have soft spots in my heart which could be why I included him. I do think he's that calibur though.

I always imagined you to be a Yank, Dan!

[SBleeder]

Mine changes frequently, but here's how it looks now:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Sam Langford
6. Joe Gans
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Willie Pep
9. Benny Leonard
10. Archie Moore
11. Joe Louis
12. Roberto Duran
13. Carlos Monzon
14. Eder Jofre
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Sugar Ray Leonard
18. Bob Fitzsimmons
19. Tony Canzoneri
20. Gene Tunney

[LacedUp]

Mine changes frequently, but here's how it looks now:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Sam Langford
6. Joe Gans
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Willie Pep
9. Benny Leonard
10. Archie Moore
11. Joe Louis
12. Roberto Duran
13. Carlos Monzon
14. Eder Jofre
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Sugar Ray Leonard
18. Bob Fitzsimmons
19. Tony Canzoneri
20. Gene Tunney

Eder Jofre, what a call! Doesn't get the credit he deserves, though never truly breaking the world scene being predominantly a home fighter. Canzoneri was borderline top 20 for me too.

[IronDanHamza]

I always imagined you to be a Yank, Dan!

You know, so many people seem to assume that on here

Genuinely have no clue why.

[K-DOGG]

Oh hell. I hate doing these 'cause it always gives me a damn headache. I always leave someone out.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Sam Langford
5. Benny Leonard
6. Wille Pepp
7. Mickey Walker
8. Julio Caesar Chavez
9. Roberto Duran
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Archie Moore
12. Ruby Robert Fitzsimmons
13. Carlos Monzon
14. Sugar Ray Leonard
15. Pernell Whitaker
16. Joe Gans
17 Eder Jofre
18. Jimmy Wilde
19 Kid Chocolate
20. Barbados Joe Walcott




.....gotta give credit to those who posted above me for reminding me of some fighters I'd all but forgotten about.

I've ignored my love of this sport for too long....my brain's nearly turned to mush.

[K-DOGG]

....that's p4p. I usually don't rank heavies I p4p rankings. They get enough clout as is; the little guys hardly ever get the press. And, if I can recall, the whole reason for the original p4p ranking was to say:

If Sugar Ray Robison fought, say, Muhammad Ali, who would win. It puts fighters on equal terms when in a fantasy matchup. At least, that's always the way I interpreted it.

Specifically, the fighters I'd almost forgotten about were Eder Jofre, Barbados Joe Walcott, and Kid Chocolate. It's been years since I thought of them....bout 7 to be precise; the last time I was really able to frequent this site when I was educated by some old schoolers then on Jofre. Sadly, I don't remember who it was.

Chocolate and Walcott I'd read about years ago and place them based on reading material, truthfully. I'm not sure if there is any footage of either.