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    #21
    Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post

    One of my Dad's old drinking buddies was a descendant of Tom Cribb's, he even had the same name .
    I never really thought much about how the island being small and split into ethnic groups makes for this sort of possibility but that's very interesting.

    Now I'll have to add parentage to the list of interesting **** to research


    But really, chances of an American coming from a long forgotten boxing dynasty are pretty low, but a young Englishman might. I'll let y'all know if I happen across any active boxers being from a former champions descendance.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
      Onomastos of Symnra - Brought it to the masses

      Theaganese of Thasos - Who was studied

      James Figg - Brought it to the masses

      Tom Pipes - Challenged old honor ideas with contemporary sporting ideas

      Jack Broughton - Who did the studying
      Just the other day, I watched the Jem Belcher movie (which I liked) and maybe that’s why the first name
      that popped up in my mind when I read the thread headline was another bareknuckle guy, i.e. Broughton.


      Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post
      Also, for the sake of argument lets keep it to the post Marques of Queensberry era.
      I'm innocent, Marchegiano started it.

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        #23
        If you are going to post pre-MQB fighters (despite the OP's desire) for their importance to the game, how about a short abstract as to why?

        Just being a pioneer name people remember doesn't mean they were important, only that they were popular. Unless that is the only thing there is to say about them, that we remember their name. But then, that's everyone we remember.

        That doesn't seem to be enough, there needs to be something special going on.

        Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 04-08-2025, 04:39 PM.

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          #24
          1. Muhammad Ali - The most important athlete of all-time, period. One of the most important non-politicians in history.

          2. Joe Louis - The first African-American to be an icon in America; was a symbol of fighting **** Germany; changed perceptions of Black people worldwide

          3. Jack Johnson - Broke the color barrier of the HW division; highest paid man in sports in his age.

          4. Jack Dempey - the 2nd most important athlete of sports initial "Golden Age"

          5. Joe Gans - 1st Black champion

          6. John L. Sullivan - the first "man who beat the man"

          7. Mike Tyson - The last boxer to be considered "the baddest man on the planet"

          8. Manny Pacquaio = brought the dawn of the "international superstar"

          9. Sugar Ray Robinson - The GOAT

          10. Roberto Duran - the greatest fighter of the past 50 years & brought about the dawn of the Latino superstar.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
            If you are going to post pre-MQB fighters (despite the OP's desire) for their importance to the game, how about a short abstract as to why?

            Just being a pioneer name people remember doesn't mean they were important, only that they were popular. Unless that is the only thing there is to say about them, that we remember their name. But then, that's everyone we remember.

            That doesn't seem to be enough, there needs to be something special going on.
            As for Jack Broughton, the first lines on wikipedia say a lot: He was the first person to codify a set of boxing rules;
            prior to this the "rules" that existed were very loosely defined and tended to vary from contest to contest.
            His
            were widely used in boxing for nearly a century.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Ben Bolt View Post

              Just the other day, I watched the Jem Belcher movie (which I liked) and maybe that’s why the first name
              that popped up in my mind when I read the thread headline was another bareknuckle guy, i.e. Broughton.



              I'm innocent, Marchegiano started it.
              Oh I don't blame anyone, and I had a feeling it would become that. My thought was that there would be so many from the pre MQB era due to them being pioneers of boxing itself that there would be nothing more modern fighters could do to compare.
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                #27
                IIRC Cribb was the first fighter to undergo a truly strict scientific training regimen.

                Oh and he punched the bark off trees so hardened were his hands. Or so it was said anyway.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Anomalocaris View Post
                  IIRC Cribb was the first fighter to undergo a truly strict scientific training regimen.

                  Oh and he punched the bark off trees so hardened were his hands. Or so it was said anyway.
                  Came to think of Evnika Saadvakass, who had her first boxing lesson at age 3. The last update I find of her
                  is from 2022, so maybe she got tired of living her father’s dream?


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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Ben Bolt View Post

                    Came to think of Evnika Saadvakass, who had her first boxing lesson at age 3. The last update I find of her
                    is from 2022, so maybe she got tired of living her father’s dream?


                    I can't find the video but y'all might remember

                    CW Usyk punched nails into wood very similarly to how Glaukos is said to have. It's neat to see these sort of old world feats even if that's all they really are.

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                      #30
                      Jack Broughton pondered over the statue of Theaganese and what his wraps were used for and why. This is why we have wraps, gloves, and ideas about what they are good for.


                      This is a scratch of the surface. Point is questioning without even having a look for yourself is just reveling in your own ignorance. I told you Jack's super ****ing important. I mentioned gloves, twice now, someone else mentioned he only just wrote the foundational rules is all, gee ... I wonder ... might there be more super foundational **** JB might maybe be responsible for? Gee, maybe if you don't know you should have a google before disrespecting the founder.

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