What are your five hardest hitting Welterweights?

[Willie Pep 229]

For starters. Langford was 156 lbs against Tate who was 230 and 6 ft 4. He knocked tate out.

ill find some welter numbers tommorow. That was easy though. He gave up 70 lbs in that fight

A bit cherry picked, no?

The only fight that has Tate listed at 230 Ibs. has Langford at 190.

They fought many times, and yes Langford has a stoppage over Tate but it is early in their battles and in the end Tate has more wins than Langford.

[them_apples]

On April 26th1906 Langford ,weighing 156lbs fought Jack Johnson and took a terrific beating,being floored 3 times for long 9 counts,having his eye closed and getting a broken nose.

Langford fought Ferguson twice,in 1908 W Dec .1909 Draw.
Langford was a middleweight from 1906 .

this is what I am saying you just checked boxrec but boxrec get's it wrong or ommits things.

Also why didn't you just read the the 1908 bout? he dropped a dude with 35 lbs on him multiple times. Why would you not post this?

I did get the date wrong though. I admit this. I wasn't lying though. You know this.

[Bronson66]

A bit cherry picked, no?

The only fight that has Tate listed at 130 Ibs. has Langford at 190.

They fought many times, and yes Langford has a stoppage over Tate but it is early in their battles and in the end Tate has more wins than Langford.

It's deliberate lying

[them_apples]

I actually apologize, I am getting totally conflicting reports on everything involving Sam Langford. I did not deliberately lie. the internet just doesn't have it out for Langford.

Did Langford knock out big bill? how much did he weigh? and what was Bills weight? I am asking a question thats all

[them_apples]

boxrec has this:

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seems like Langford gave up a massive size and weight dis-advantage. and registered a knockout

Tate is 6 ft 6 1/2

Langford is 5 ft 7

Tate (I believe) was 230 lbs or so.

[them_apples]

It's deliberate lying

You don't think I wouldn't assume you would instantly check boxrec? or course you would

The truth of the matter is we don't know anything about Langford because he was a black fighter fighting in the newspaper era.

[Bronson66]

this is what I am saying you just checked boxrec but boxrec get's it wrong or ommits things.

Also why didn't you just read the the 1908 bout? he dropped a dude with 35 lbs on him multiple times. Why would you not post this?

I did get the date wrong though. I admit this. I wasn't lying though. You know this.

6' 2" and weighed around 200 pounds. Langford fought Ferguson multiple times early in his career, including when Langford was still competing as a welterweight (around 142 147 pounds)."

And its all lies.
1. Ferguson went the distance,he was NOT Ko'd
2.Langford fought Ferguson just twice the first fight was a point decision for Langford,the second a draw.
3.Langford was NOT a welterweight,he had weighed 175lbs 2 months earlier to fight Jeannette .
4. After 1905 Langford was a middleweight,until he grew into a light heavyweight in1908.

5. Two years prior to the first Ferguson fight Langford weighed 156lbs

6.Tell us where you got the information that stated.
7. Langford ko'd Ferguson
8. He fought him multiple times
9.He was a welterweight when he fought him.
If you cannot provide a source there is only one logical conclusion anyone can reach. You made it up!

[Bronson66]

6' 2" and weighed around 200 pounds. Langford fought Ferguson multiple times early in his career, including when Langford was still competing as a welterweight (around 142 147 pounds)."

And its all lies.
1. Ferguson went the distance,he was NOT Ko'd
2.Langford fought Ferguson just twice the first fight was a point decision for Langford,the second a draw.
3.Langford was NOT a welterweight,he had weighed 175lbs 2 months earlier to fight Jeannette .
4. After 1905 Langford was a middleweight,until he grew into a light heavyweight in1908.

5. Two years prior to the first Ferguson fight Langford weighed 156lbs

6.Tell us where you got the information that stated.
7. Langford ko'd Ferguson
8. He fought him multiple times
9.He was a welterweight when he fought him.
If you cannot provide a source there is only one logical conclusion anyone can reach. You made it up!

Langford did give up size and weight to Tate, but he wasn't anywhere near a welterweight,the weight discrepancy was probably around 25lbs.


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[them_apples]

6' 2" and weighed around 200 pounds. Langford fought Ferguson multiple times early in his career, including when Langford was still competing as a welterweight (around 142 147 pounds)."

And its all lies.
1. Ferguson went the distance,he was NOT Ko'd
2.Langford fought Ferguson just twice the first fight was a point decision for Langford,the second a draw.
3​​​​​​.Langford was NOT a welterweight,he had weighed ​175lbs 2 months earlier to fight Jeannette .
4. After 1905 Langford was a middleweight,until he grew into a light heavyweight in1908.

5. Two years prior to the first Ferguson fight Langford weighed 156lbs

6.Tell us where you got the information that stated.
7. Langford ko'd Ferguson
8. He fought him multiple times
9.He was a welterweight when he fought him.
If you cannot provide a source there is only one logical conclusion anyone can reach. You made it up!

what difference does it make, last time I posted a screen shot and page of a book and you STILL said I was wrong!!! and making things up!!!

I used copilot and chat gpt. took the info. it was right about the other bouts and I mistakenly didn't check the last one. making me look like a liar. It seems it doesn't know much about langford. as does the internet.

For the record though, he does have about 400 fights unaccounted for and this happens all the time with Langford. so give me a break

It doesn't matter anyways I admit I was wrong and thats it

[them_apples]

Langford did give up size and weight to Tate, but he wasn't anywhere near a welterweight,the weight discrepancy was probably around 25lbs.


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so either Langford was over 200 lbs or Bill tate was much lighter then?