Does anyone still think the old time heavyweights were too small to be competitive in the modern era?

[Biledriver]

Bloody hell - free speech (within reason) really should be sacrosanct.

But in my experience places like digital spy are terrified of offendimg a certain section of the population.

I made a comment about some woman whining about Is*amophobia whilst she was stood outside the Manchester Arena in 2017 and the paramedics where still removing the bodies.

Immediate ban.

I didn't mind them banning the Lounge Not-Sees (most of them, anyway) with their rac ist bullsh it and big otry on Day-One, but they chucked a lot of babies out with that shi tty bathwater. They could have cleaned up the Lounge without just blanket AI banning everyone one who breathed kind of funny.

[Bronson66]

I didn't mind them banning the Lounge Not-Sees (most of them, anyway) with their rac ist bull**** and big try on Day-One, but they chucked a lot of babies out with that shi tty bathwater. They could have cleaned up the Lounge without just blanket AI banning everyone one who breathed kind of funny.

I rarely go there.

[Marchegiano]

What should be absurdly obvious is when you match a man of185lbs with one of 250lbs who can really punch,their talent being equal, is that stamina is extremely unlikely to be a factor,because the smaller man, particularly if he is a come forward swarmer ,is extremely likely to get stopped early in the contest,before stamina ,becomes an issue!

That IS my point. You did not say anything I disagree with even a little bit here.




You don't have any problem at all with my takeaway it is my explanations you do not like. Best I can tell anyway. Your problem is you're trying to explain physical limitations and historical context to a man whose scope encircles your own? Maybe, I dunno, I'm fishing. I larn plenty from you but you out right refuse to learn anything older than 1895 from anyone so ... there is a scope difference here.



When I get into this is what's good for X, this is what's good for Y, and these are the rules that effect them, then you're all sorts of "know better".


If all I ever did was say dumb **** like "we got divisions for a reason" You would agree with that. If I explain those reasons you disagree and go on an attack that claims there is no advantage to smaller size.



If you accept stamina advantage we have no argument because I couldn't give less hoots which you believe has more intrinsic effect on style or anyone else for that matter. I don't think I have an opinion to defend on that tbh. It's like leverage; case by case.


I will say this, that absurdity is 100% tied to the time limits. No limits, makes it a lot less absurd. You can tire a man out without ever even being in range to be punched, that's just Melankomas.

I'll leave on this thought. There was never a time when 250 pound men were not being produced. There was only ever a time when 250 pounds of man was a liability. This idea there was no good men for 3k years, or there was no big men for 3k years. Is just plainly factually wrong. They ****** because their rules didn't favor them as much. Period, no, Tyson's not made out of special magic fat that changes his metabolic rate. He would suck at boxing in any time before the modern period. The same science you want to throw around and claim Fury is some how improved over Allus tells you he hasn't. The history is there. The science is there, and it is not that big a damn deal to admit average size is average size because it does better where large and small fail, or that boxing's rules have an effect weight not seen by height or reach or even age. Both those final statements seem obvious and beyond argument to me.

[Biledriver]

I rarely go there.

That's probably a good thing. The Lounge had been virtually an annex of Sto rmFro nt for years.

[ShoulderRoll]

So just to be clear, y'all are happy just chucking out names like as if it is hard for any of us to get on boxrec and find the appropriate disparity as evidence for either logical fallacy?

And me call you all s t u p i d is harsh is it?


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Not scientific or medical proof size has deficits to stamina doe?



That's not far more significant evidence for a real actual fact than "but Usyk put on 2 pounds over the Bridger limit doe" or "But Bill Tate sucks doe"?





We're going to deny this science, supplement some assumptions based off boxing win/loss records, not even bother with a data set because we like cherry picking, throw out time all together, throw away equipment all together, and top it all off with citing this same science as the reason the old time super heavies ****** nuts at boxing?


... And me telling you all this is a dumbass argument held on dumbass grounds by dumbass people is being mean is it?


Now go ahead and play semantics like that's done well for any of you.

VO2 Max would obviously play a major factor in 15 round fights. Which if they were brought back would cut these so called superior big heavyweights down to size.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Little Usyk came up from cruiserweight and has beaten Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury twice. As well as Dubois.

But Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis wouldn’t be able to hang? Come on now.

I'm too lazy to read this whole thread but Usyk is obviously the exception that proves the rule. very few CWs succeed at become top dog at HW.

I think the old time HWs are too small in general. Although I'm sure one or two could do well.

Also worth remembering that Usyk has an amazing chin for his size. He had to take some huge punches in his fights. Skills only get you so far. You need physical attributes too. See Steve Cunnigham who did terrible at HW. Also most of the the people Usyk fought didn't have great chins themselves. What if AJ had a rock solid chin? he could have probably just bulldozed Usyk

[ShoulderRoll]

I'm too lazy to read this whole thread but Usyk is obviously the exception that proves the rule. very few CWs succeed at become top dog at HW.

I think the old time HWs are too small in general. Although I'm sure one or two could do well.

Also worth remembering that Usyk has an amazing chin for his size. He had to take some huge punches in his fights. Skills only get you so far. You need physical attributes too. See Steve Cunnigham who did terrible at HW. Also most of the the people Usyk fought didn't have great chins themselves. What if AJ had a rock solid chin? he could have probably just bulldozed Usyk

Didn’t Steve Cunningham knock Tyson Fury on his ass?

[IronDanHamza]

Didn’t Steve Cunningham knock Tyson Fury on his ass?

Didn’t Steve Cunngingham weigh 210 lbs for that fight?

Didn’t he also get battered and stopped?

[IronDanHamza]

VO2 Max would obviously play a major factor in 15 round fights. Which if they were brought back would cut these so called superior big heavyweights down to size.

Who said “big” heavyweights are superior?

[QueensburyRules]

VO2 Max would obviously play a major factor in 15 round fights. Which if they were brought back would cut these so called superior big heavyweights down to size.

- - So would bareknucks unlimited rounds spell the end of boxing starting with John L Vs Corbett.

178 lbs beat 212 lbs by KO at 1:30 in round 21