Top 5 Middleweights.....Hopkins?

[JAB5239]

Indulge in fantasy if you have to while you accuse others of it. You are getting squat out of Hopkins' resume, Alice, except that it is lousy. Oh, sure, you are going to compare Hopkins' resume in some logical manner to boxers who fought everyone you never saw fight a hundred years and more ago, across all kinds of rule changes, equipment changes and technique changes. And after all what you will do is put together a fantasy based on some weak research, old tales of boxing writers and a big dab of pre-conditioning.

Fantasy, eh? Let's call your big idea fantasy ratings then, fantasy comparisons.

Yes, I will get excited if some asshole drives me to it and one did.

Yep, you got nothing.

If you had two brain cells to rub together you might understand how to rate a fighter for what he did in his own era and then compare it to what his counterparts did in their own era's. Instead you want to play make believe and look into your crystal ball as to who would beat who in a FANTASY fight. Lmao!!!

[QueensburyRules]

Unfortunately I don't know as much as I should about Fitzsimmons, but his middleweight resume seems pretty thin. Ketchel is arguable in my opinion.

- - Hvywt champ of the World, first LHvy champ, and storied Middlewt champ beating the original great Jack Dempsey all while carrying a middlewt frame is beyond the single brain cell left in U the vacuum of U noggin...

I don't rate fighters I could beat up, but of course Poppy gonna burst into tears trying to get the ref's sympathy. The boys in the pen must've had a field day with him...

[JAB5239]

- - Hvywt champ of the World, first LHvy champ, and storied Middlewt champ beating the original great Jack Dempsey all while carrying a middlewt frame is beyond the single brain cell left in U the vacuum of U noggin...

I don't rate fighters I could beat up, but of course Poppy gonna burst into tears trying to get the ref's sympathy. The boys in the pen must've had a field day with him...

Seeing as you can't walk a straight line let alone beat ANY professional fighter I'd say your opinion is null and void.

What was so great about Nonpareil Jack Dempsey other than being the inaugural middleweight champion? Admittedly i dont know a lot about his competition, but looking at his resume.....is it really better than Hopkins?

[Willie Pep 229]

Seeing as you can't walk a straight line let alone beat ANY professional fighter I'd say your opinion is null and void.

What was so great about Nonpareil Jack Dempsey other than being the inaugural middleweight champion? Admittedly i dont know a lot about his competition, but looking at his resume.....is it really better than Hopkins?

Remember that the people of his day were impressed enough to speak his praise.

That counts for something.

There were a hundred other MW that the locals didn't see fit to talk about.

[JAB5239]

Remember that the people of his day were impressed enough to speak his praise.

That counts for something.

There were a hundred other MW that the locals didn't see fit to talk about.

That's a fair point and good counter argument. Finally, someone using their brain instead of just making a blanket statement. Does this mean Hopkins should rate ahead of Fitz, or vice versa? I have no idea. But at least we're moving in the right direction. Thank you for your reply.

[them_apples]

I think the vast majority would agree Greb, Robinson, Monzon and Hagler are the Mount Rushmore of middleweight greats. Does Bernard Hopkins have a claim to being rated fifth? The IBRO has him 8th. Is there an argument he should be rated above Mickey Walker, Bob Fitzsimmons or Stanley Ketchel at Middleweight?

its all about how we rate them. If we rate them based on what they did within their own eras, considering all things - or do we rate them h2h.

I personally find Hopkins overrated. He’s the guy who wasn’t the best so he just fought longer and held things longer.

I also find Hagler a hair overated as well. In terms if his all time status.

he outboxed trinidad a fighter Hopkins could have overpowered in a brawl just as easily. Boxing 12 rounds and running from a former welterweight is not a masterclass in my book.

he showed he was a good fighter with great discipline but not an ATG fighter h2h

[QueensburyRules]

Seeing as you can't walk a straight line let alone beat ANY professional fighter I'd say your opinion is null and void.

What was so great about Nonpareil Jack Dempsey other than being the inaugural middleweight champion? Admittedly i dont know a lot about his competition, but looking at his resume.....is it really better than Hopkins?

- - He bareknucks U as easily as gloves.

OK, we already know U like sissies…c’est la vie…

[JAB5239]

- - He bareknucks U as easily as gloves.

OK, we already know U like sissies…c’est la vie…

What we know is you will provide no context. You speak of things you know nothing about. Sad little drunken man.

[QueensburyRules]

What we know is you will provide no context. You speak of things you know nothing about. Sad little drunken man.

- - Need to find context wif U links in U alternative social club...

[JAB5239]

- - Need to find context wif U links in U alternative social club...