Top 5 Middleweights.....Hopkins?

[Ben Bolt]

My 2 cents (and worth every penny!!!!!!):

All-Time Middleweights - Modern Era

1. Sam Langford
2. Harry Greb
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Carlos Monzon
5. "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler
6. Stanley Ketchel
7. Bob Fitzsimmons
8. Marcel Cerdan
9. "Sugar" Ray Leonard
10. Roy Jones Jr.
11.Mickey Walker
12.Mike Gibbons
13.Bernard Hopkins
14.Jack “The Nonpareil” Dempsey
15 Gennadiy Golovkin
16.Jake LaMotta
17.Freddie Steel
18.Thomas Hearns
19.Tiger Flowers
20.Tony Zale
21.Charley Burley
22.Tommy Ryan
23.Marcel Thil
24.Charles "Kid" McCoy
25.Georges Carpentier
26.Rocky Graziano
27.Jeff Smith
28.**** Tiger
29.Roberto Duran
30.Billy Papke
32.Gene Fullmer
33.Holman Williams
34.Mike O’Dowd
35.Les Darcy
36.Eddie McGootry
37.Emile Griffith
38.Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
39.Eddie Booker
40.Frank Klaus
41.Al Hostak
42.Buck Crouse
43.Georgie Abrams
44.Lou Brouillard
45.Jimmy Clabby
46.Leo Houck
47.Vince Dundee
48.Rodrigo Valdez
49.Mike McCallum
50.Teddy Yarosz
51.Nino Benvenuti
52.Joey Giardello
53.James Toney
54.Ken Overlin
55.Al McCoy
56.Carmen Basilio
57."Bad" Benny Briscoe
58.Sergio Martinez
59.Laszlo Papp
60.Mike O'Dowd
61.Julian Jackson
62.George Chip
63.Lloyd Marshall
64.Carl "Bobo" Olsen
65.Ceferino Garcia
66.Fred Apostoli
67.Gustav Scholz
68.Kelly Pavlik
69.Michael Nunn
70.Randy Turpin
71.Charles Humez
72.Chris Eubank
73.Sumbu Kalambay
74.Nigel Benn
75.Johnny Wilson
76.Alan Minter
77.Ace Hudkins
78.Gerald McClellan
79.Paul Pender
80.Arthur Abraham
81.Robert Villemain
82.Ronald "Winky" Wright
83.Jermall Charlo
84.Vito Antuofermo
85.Rene DeVos
86.Jack Chase
87.Hugo Corro
88.Terry Downs
89.Holly Mims
90.Miguel Cotto
91.Dave Sands
92.Hugo Kelly
93.Jock "Rochdale Thunderbolt" McAvoy
94."Cyclone" Johnny Thompson
95.Dave Shade
95.George Benton
97.Clarence Alabama Kid
98."Allentown" Joe Gans
99.Young Ahearn
100.Mike Donovan
101.Jermain Taylor
102.Ben "Belter" Brown
103.Steve Collins
104.Denny "Bulldog" Harrington
105.Leo Lomski
106.John "The Beast" Mugabi
107.Frank Moody
108.William "Gorilla" Jones
109.Kenny Watkins
110.George Rooke
111.Evelio "Kid" Turnero
112.Frank Battaglia
113.Johnny Howard
114.John David Jackson
115.Frankie Schoell
116.Elsworth "Spider" Webb
117.Joey Archer
118.Steve Belloise
119.Antonio Fernandez
120.Billy Soose
121.Mustafa Hamsho
122.Eduardo Lausse
123.Ignasio Ara
124.Ruben "Hurricane" Carter
125.Jean Claude Bouttier
126.Edward McGlinchey
127.Percey "Pal" Reed
128.Rory Calhoun
129.Ben Jeby
130.Cyrille Delannoit
131.Ralph "Tiger" Jones
132.Rocky Castellani
133.Bobby Boyd
134.Jackie Clark
135.Bobby "Boogaloo" Watts
136.Herol "Bomber" Graham
137.Jock Malone
138.Laurent Dauthuille
139.Bert Lytell
140.Charley Joseph
141.Floentino Fernandez
142.Tiberio Mitri
143.Juan Domingo Roldan
144.Yama Bahama
145.Willie "The Worm" Monroe
146.Tony Mundine Sr.
147.Fred Henneberry
148.Willis "Shorty" Hogue
149.Solly Krieger
150.Reggie Johnson
151.Jack Hood
152.Gratien Tonna
153.Babe Risko
154.Felix Sturm
155.Kell Brook
156.Paul Pirrone
157.William Joppy
158.**** Turpin
159.Tony Sibson
160.Luis Folledo
161."Sugar" Ray Seales
162.Dwight Davidson
163.Tom Bogs
164.Carmen Barth
165.Sam Soliman
166.Keith Holmes
167.Tony Licata
168.Daniel Jacobs
169.Ossie Stewart
170.Salvatore Affinito
171.Lamar Parks
172.Artie Townie
173.Gene "Silent" Hairston
174.Daniel Geale
175.Miguel de Oliveira
176.Curtis Parker
177.Young Terry
178."Dangerous" Don Lee
179.Meyer Grace
180.Joe "Bolo" Blackwood
181.Al Trainor
182.Rosy Baker
183.Marco Antonio Rubio
184.Howard Eastman
185.Mel "Killer" Brown
186.Gomeo Brennan
187.Walter Cartier
188.Eugene "Cyclone" Hart
189.Wilford Scypion
190.Joe Carter
191.Nasim Max Cohen
192.Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
193.Atilio Sabatino
191.William "Caveman" Lee
192.Jackie Burke
193.Hacine Cherifi
194.Harry Balsamo
195.Jorge Castro
196.David Lemieux
197.Grzegorz Proksa
198.Johnny Rossi
199.Martin Murray
200.Kid Leonard

My main concern with this list is **** Tiger and **** Turpin, and the censorship that is in place.
Come on, it's absolutely ridiciolous trying to protect adults from "unsuitable" names or words.
Moreover, it's an insult to two great fighters.

[Mr Mitts]

My main concern with this list is **** Tiger and **** Turpin, and the censorship that is in place.
Come on, it's absolutely ridiciolous trying to protect adults from "unsuitable" names or words.
Moreover, it's an insult to two great fighters.

Around here be thankful they finally put the thread with the last post in it at the top of the page again. I had to offer to come do some programming for them to finally get that done. What are you going to offer them in lieu of censorship, friend?

[Ben Bolt]

What are you going to offer them in lieu of censorship, friend?

My brilliant thoughts.
I just think it's absurd that while there are no restrictions against (for example) posting a vid that contains violence for entertainment, like when Tiger knocks people unconscious, that his first name would be more harmful to our minds. To me, it’s a bit of strain at a gnat and swallow a camel (don’t get me wrong, I like boxing vids).

A European journalist described her experience of visiting a cinema in the US. In the first half-hour of the film, there was plenty of shooting and several dead bodies. Then came this short love scene with a naked man and a naked woman, and several viewers got offended and left the theater. For most Europeans, if they had reacted, it had been to all killings. Who is to decide what’s offensive?

I like this quote: “Everyone has an opinion, and the guy screaming for censorship may be the next guy to have his ideas cut off.”

[tokon]

I would rank him higher than Ketchel who I think was overrated. To a certain degree I think Hopkins reign at 160 was also somewhat overrated. He hid out at 160 padding his record against a long string of no-hopers, journeymen and long forgotten opponents instead of moving up to 168 sooner to face a prime Jones and Toney. His best wins at 160 were two blown up welters (Trinidad and Oscar). I would place LaMotta, Walker, Burley, Flowers, Langford, Fullmer, Tiger, and a few others ahead of Hopkins.

It seems like Hopkins never wanted that Toney fight.

[Bronson66]

I am not so sure Walker would stand a chance against today's heavyweights. I feel sure he wouldn't. He fought cruiseres and light heavies masquerading as heavyweights by today's standards. Who is he going to beat? Even Joe Joyce would likely tear him up IMO. Hanging in there for a while with Schmeling means only little to me. Schmeling was no great puncher but he KOd little Mickey. Walker had a great left hook with no telegraph on it. Speaking of welterweights, Walker was probably better there--5' 7" is not really a middleweight's ideal build, though it's been done.

Cotto
Alvarez
Garcia
Basilio
Graziano
All 5'7" or under.

[QueensburyRules]

It seems like Hopkins never wanted that Toney fight.

- - TwoTon blew past middlewt like he cleaned out Kentucky Fried. As mentioned, Poppy was sued resulting in a $2/3million judgement to Dibella that Oscar ended up paying for not fighting Roy after signing the contract with Roy and Super Joe as his opponents.

[JAB5239]

- - TwoTon blew past middlewt like he cleaned out Kentucky Fried. As mentioned, Poppy was sued resulting in a $2/3million judgement to Dibella that Oscar ended up paying for not fighting Roy after signing the contract with Roy and Super Joe as his opponents.

Post the link to that lawsuit. We all know you wont.

[Willie Pep 229]

Hopkins was sued by a promoter for slander; settled out of court and apologized.

Hopkins did walk away from negotiations for a Jones rematch, but there was no binding agreement so there was no suit.

[JAB5239]

Hopkins was sued by a promoter for slander; settled out of court and apologized.

Hopkins did walk away from negotiations for a Jones rematch, but there was no binding agreement so there was no suit.

Exactly. And he had to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 700k. There was no 2-3 million dollar judgement.

[Mr Mitts]

To me, Hopkins has for a long time been overrated. His way of winning was to stink out the place so bad you couldn't tell if anybody won or not. He made the other guy look bad but looked bad and boring doing that.

For me AT rankings are all about who beats whom. I don't care about extended careers in my rankings--who can they beat is what I would ask (of myself).

I will state the following as though fact but we know they are just opinion. Hopkins not only loses to Mt. Rushmore but others as well. Against Monzon he is especially in trouble because he brings none of his usual physical advantages into the ring. Monzon is faster, hits harder, is just as rangy and in as good a shape. Hard to say what either will enter the ring weighing. Large middleweights.

Ray Leonard has everything to beat Hopkins with. Leonard will always strike first and be off to the races while Ho'kins is still thinkin' of stinkin' the joint empty.

Charley Burley whips him. A lot of people mention Tiger Flowers as great. If he was then he whips Ho'kins. If he can't whip Hopkins he wasn't a great fighter. We already know Hokey could not beat Roy Jones as a middleweight.

He will not beat Langford, period.

I sure don't have great faith Hoppy could get through Jackson or McClellan or both.

Cerdan, Lamotta, Benvenuti, Valdez have at least even chances. Hearns has a very good chance.

Those are just some well known names.