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[BrometheusBob.]

BrometheusBob, I agree with your statement. I think we're saying the same thing, just in a different way, really.

It's funny you should bring up Chavez Jr actually, as he built his career on being big for the weight.

Gotcha gotcha

Yeah I guess any fantasy fight with Chavez Jr comes with the assumption that he has a 20lb weight advantage.

[!! Anorak]

I'm aware that there are a few heavyweights bubbling under who look very good offensively, but they're untested, obviously.

Still not sure what to make of Joshua. He does seem quite open, and he's obviously not facing huge tests, but for the level he's at, I dunno. I guess no one takes out Kevin Johnson in pretty much a round.

[BOXEO _]

So the #1 P4P fighter in the world is a Flyweight?

What's the world coming to?

[!! Anorak]

POUND FOR POUND - RING ****ZINE RATINGS
1. FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.
2. ROMAN GONZALEZ
3. WLADSKI "WLAD" KLITSCHKO
4. GENNADY GONAD GOLOVKIN
5. GUILLERMO RIGONDEAUX
6. PI... ER, MANNY PACQUIAO
7. SERGEY KOVALEV
8. TERENCE CRAWFORD
9. SHINSUKE YAMANAKA
10. TAKASHI UCHIYAMA


Before we finish off with Strawweight, we'll get to perhaps the most contentious rankings of all - the "Pound for Pound" rankings.

Now, I like pound for pound. It's FUN. But... it's not REAL.

Basically, what happens is, someone who looks like this:

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Imagines what would happen if every boxer was the exact same size. It's a HYPOTHETICAL. It's just FOR FUN.

However, NSB is so obsessed by it, as if it's somehow REAL, that I've even seen them talking about boxers avoiding other boxers (I won't say who... if I say the words "cherry pick" and "woman beater" you can draw your own conclusions) and acting like they've already won the fight because they're higher up in the "pound for pound" list.

I actually tested it once in NSB, asking who, in real terms, hits the hardest - Felix Tito Trinidad, or Joe "Slapsie" Calzaghe. It was a trick question, of sorts, because obviously the answer is Slapsie. You've got a hard-hitting small MW, up against a light/moderate hitting LHW (except for that brutal stoppage of Peter Manfredo Jr), but obviously the answer is Slapsie, because we've seen it in action. You can say that Tito's power dissipated at a higher weight class, and he was shot, etc., but in 2008 Tito fought Roy Jones Jr and looked like his kid brother. Nothing Tito threw even came near to bothering the shaky-chinned Roy, simply because he was a much smaller man. And while Slapsie didn't come close to stopping Roy, or even hurting him per se, he appeared to phase him at times, and demonstrably ripped his face up. Yet I had people even arguing that the phrase "real terms" doesn't make sense, which is amazing when you consider that "pound for pound" is the one that's made up.

NSB - the discourse equivalent of a sewage plant - is so blind to this "P4P" **** they take it on board as if it's real. It's not even just NSB - even boxers, most notable Ricky "Ricky 'atton's dead 'umble is Ricky 'atton" Hatton, are down with it, talking about how they'll win the "title" in the ring. It doesn't matter if you beat the No.1 P4P titlist, it doesn't mean they still aren't, or you are... it's how they'd do against everyone, hypothetically. It's just a GAME.

This current list, I'm not even sure about. You have to consider that the Ring are suggesting that if every boxer in the world was the same height as Wlad, he'd beat them all by hugging them and using nothing more than a jab. And Terence Crawford - sure, he looks good, but if you've had 26 fights and the biggest name on your record is Ricky Burns, I think you can put yourself in the "untested" category.

See, what I'm suggesting here is not that we should disregard P4P, but we should take it for what it is, and enjoy it for what it is. When Maiiii fought Pi... er, Pacquiao this year, it was one of the very, very few times it could actually be tested for real. Because Roman Gonzalez is about the size of one of Wlad's *******, so we're never gonna see who's REALLY the second greatest "pound for pound".

Really, I just hate NSB and all it stands for. It's mindless, incessant drivel spouted by loud-mouthed fuck tards. I mean, look at this ****ing bull**** right now: "Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao @140". what a ****. We have the "fantasy bouts" subforum for a reason, you prick.

I'd love to get all the NSB posters in a field and gas the ****s. People say Hitler was a bad man with some dodgy ideas, but if you imagine him taking NSB and putting it in a gas chamber, you can see that he wasn't all bad, can't you?


VERDICT: A fun game

Wise words there. I see the current Ring P4P list has changed a lot, with Sergei Kovalev in third place, Andre Bored back in there, and Kell Brook in at number ten. Eeee, I love bein' in t'pound fer pound list, baybee.

[BennyST]

This is why Ricardo Lopez-Ivan Calderon-Roman Gonzalez and the so called historical monsters of the looow weight classes are overrated as hell....competition is not deep, and mostly crap, their resumes are crap and they have at least a controversial fight against their best opponents(Lopez with Alvarez and didn't fight Gonzalez/Carabajal, Calderun struggled and got dropped by a bunch of club fighters, Gonzalez arguably lost to a green Estrada.....but the hipsters of boxing have him rated #2 p4p )....not as bad as women's boxing but close.....

I've seen you say this before as if people actually think the same thing as you. It was a good fight, but no one, anywhere, thinks Gonzalez might have lost that fight.

It was a very clear, but still exciting win for him. There has never been the slightest argument made by anyone, except you, that Estrada might have won. What a ****.

As for them not being good, why don't you go watch some of them first and actually make a cogent argument instead of "some of them might have had a controversial fight once in their career. Overrated!"

Yeah, cause Robinson, Ali, Duran, Leonard etc never had any controversial fights.

[-Hyperion-]

I've seen you say this before as if people actually think the same thing as you. It was a good fight, but no one, anywhere, thinks Gonzalez might have lost that fight.

It was a very clear, but still exciting win for him. There has never been the slightest argument made by anyone, except you, that Estrada might have won. What a ****.

As for them not being good, why don't you go watch some of them first and actually make a cogent argument instead of "some of them might have had a controversial fight once in their career. Overrated!"

Yeah, cause Robinson, Ali, Duran, Leonard etc never had any controversial fights.

I've never even said he lost, I said it's arguable, I scored it 115-114 Gonzalez and gave Estrada the round i considered the closest, so easily couldve had it 116-113....but there is a fraction of the people who think he lost, and I wouldn't admonish them for it....maybe if you bothered to opinions outside the bubble of hipster writers you read.....

I watch and enjoy the low weight classes plenty, but I also think 95% of the fighters in them (below bantam for more accuracy) are well conditioned tough dudes at best, the top fighters are well conditioned tough dudes with good technique and then you have 1 -2 standouts at best in each(ive even said said gonzalez and estrada are standouts ). This is an Annie thread, points are being exxagerated a bit, but i definitely believe those weights weak as ****.

Even from a bit of personal experiencie, I used to sparr a guy who has held some latino regional titles in superfly/bantamweight and could probably fight for a paper title at 115 if he doesn't get derailed in 2-3 fights, and i used to beat him up a bit, and I hadn't even been at the gym for 2 months, and he was already a pro...

Saying they're overrated is not the same as saying they're crap(well, except calderun who i mantain is crap). They were all sold as demi gods becasue they were undefeated against crap comp and then they struggled against the one test they faced(or several crap club fighters like calderun)

I only responded to this extensively because i once liked your posts, but frankly seeing your descent to f10m0 snob hipster of boxing has been a bit sad.

[!! Anorak]

Two Classic members rowing? WTF?

[!! Anorak]

I don't really want either man to lose tonight... Fury's funny, but has he got what it takes?

[kadyo's]

I don't really want either man to lose tonight... Fury's funny, but has he got what it takes?

Oh well. Heavyweight still sucks though.

[!! Anorak]

That was a masterclass of Batty Gypery.