Greater fighter: Fury or Andre Ward?

[A-Wolf]

Why would UK fans cry about a guy from Denmark?

Where have you been? Because of CALZAGHE. Obviously.

[AKAcronym]

Where have you been? Because of CALZAGHE. Obviously.

I thought we were in Ward thread...didn't know we were talking about Joe.

[A-Wolf]

I thought we were in Ward thread...didn't know we were talking about Joe.

Oh no no... This is WAY more pathetic than where you're trying to go with this. Ward and Calzaghe have COMMON OPPONENTS. Newsflash. Ward has been hated on by UK fans for years simply because he DEFEATED COMMON OPPONENTS of Joe Calzaghe.

That's how PATHETIC many UK fans are. SAD I know.

[AKAcronym]

Oh no no... This is WAY more pathetic than where you're trying to go with this. Ward and Calzaghe have COMMON OPPONENTS. Newsflash. Ward has been hated on by UK fans for years simply because he DEFEATED COMMON OPPONENTS of Joe Calzaghe.

That's how PATHETIC many UK fans are. SAD I know.

Where am I trying to go with this?

[billeau2]

- -Orthodox and fill in his BigBoy trainers ******.

Converted? Orthodox? Ward is a southpaw, or fights as one.

[billeau2]

I actually like some good dirty boxing, and I agree that it is part of the game...the line between a clean punch and dirty can be small at times...who headbutted who can be up for debate etc.

My issue with Ward, vs other 'dirty' fighters...is vs top level guys, I still saw some great skills from guys like BHop and Evander...some call Maidana dirty so I could throw him in there as well...I really think those guys did some great things boxing wise...Ward, I mean he can have a pretty good jab sometimes...but against good competition, I just never saw the good skills man..just have to be honest...it was always a struggle for him.

And I made a post before...I thought Bika and Barrera were very competitive fights...I could see a draw there or a 7-5 win for Ward, based on my recollection...but at home, he gets 11-1 cards...guys who fight away all the time, or neutral, they don't get those breaks, and get losses and draws in those fights.

The first Kov fight was a very bad decision...you can't find 7 rounds for Ward...the 2nd fight, the number of low blows, and the fact that it ended on 2 low blows...I mean it just taints it man...I would say that for ANYONE who won that way...I'm not hating on Ward there...I don't really have a big rooting interest for anyone anymore.

But in Fury/Wilder for example...if Fury won at the end with 2 low blows...I would say - you can't end a fight like that...it would taint the win, especially if the rest of the fight was close...which I felt fight 2, Kov was still outboxing Ward, but it was a more competitive fight through 7 rounds compared to fight 1.

Idk man...as I said before...when I look at his fights with Dawson, Kessler, kov 1, Kov 2, Froch, Bika and Barrera...some say he was 7-0 in those fights....even 6-1 in those is crazy to me.

If I had to score/ref those and was trying to be neutral...Dawson of course is a win...but he did drain him 7 pounds...Kessler or Kov, give him one win and DQ him in the other, I think that is fair enough...Kov 1 he lost clearly....Froch he won pretty clearly...Bika and Barrera I would give him 1 win and 1 draw.

That's 4-2-1...and that's like a pretty favorable score for him imho...you could say he should have 2 DQs or 2 draws etc...idk man I just never really have understood the fawning over him, and the belief that he dominated at any time really in any of those fights.

You have to give him like 90% of the close rounds for him to win those fights...and then ignore some constant illegal sh.it to keep him from getting DQd in 2/3 others...and again I like some good dirty stuff on occasion...but when you do it all the time, and get away with it at home, and get incredible cards bc you are at home...and never travel, and never really separate in those fights vs good fighters, and need favorable judging or reffing...idk man I just really don't get it.

All we can do is call it like we see it however...if you see it differently, fair enough.

Everyone should look at the fights themselves as you did... I have no qualms with that. When I look at tape on Ward, I see very accurate punching, there is a study on the Dawson fight, Ward really set him up, drained, or not...Unfortunately I cannot find the tape anymore.

This is an opinion: I think the very orthodox guys do not know how to handle rough fighting. While we may disagree to what degree certain parts of infighting are against the rules, this very issue was being discussed in the mid, to late eighteen hundreds. British trainers, including one who wrote a book, often felt like the British fighters were limited. Using the power hand back, and using very predictable movements.

My feeling is that you always had guys who use elbows, the head (to a degee) to fight in close. Its an issue that is still open to differences of opinion for sure... I just think it is interesting that the issue is old.

[billeau2]

There's a lot to be said about fighters getting themselves on foreign soil. And objection to ne made of men who fight only on home soil.

Ward is the beneficiary of one of the worst decisions of recent history. And Fury's the victim of one of the worst.

Fury's 100 pounds heavier and just as good defensively.

Fury's the best Heavyweight ever. Ward didn't even want to be a real Light Heavyweight.

The comparison is easy. The disparity obvious.

Rusty it has been proven time and time again, home court is no advantage in boxing. You always get the hyperbole train fired up Rusty... NO Ward was nowhere near the receipt of any "worse", anything in boxing... Come on... Fury should have been given the first Wilder fight, that was pretty damn bad, not even that was one of the worse, which is kind of sad when you think about it because, Fury definitely won that fight. Fury is fighting a different kind of opponent, there is no comparison to speak of and Ward only went up to catch fights because he cleaned out his division.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rusty it has been proven time and time again, home court is no advantage in boxing. You always get the hyperbole train fired up Rusty... NO Ward was nowhere near the receipt of any "worse", anything in boxing... Come on... Fury should have been given the first Wilder fight, that was pretty damn bad, not even that was one of the worse, which is kind of sad when you think about it because, Fury definitely won that fight. Fury is fighting a different kind of opponent, there is no comparison to speak of and Ward only went up to catch fights because he cleaned out his division.

That's the first time I've heard that Homecourt is to no advantage.

Ward cleaned out the most pointless division in Boxing. He then received an indefensible "victory" over Kovalev.

I agree Kovalev had gone off the tracks between fights and very likely would've been beaten had Ward not fouled. But the point is Ward clearly resorted to fouling to win.

Soooo how can you say there's no comparison to be made?

[QueensburyRules]

- -Any thread on the soiled Son of Goofus gets dumbed down to a sewage retaining pond.

[LacedUp]

Fury has better wins. But Andre ward has more strength in depth.

Equal at the moment.