Comments Thread For: Are Canelo, Golden Boy Headed For Standoff With DAZN?

[aboutfkntime]

GGG need to go fight someone worth mentioning. The fact that Canelo is around makes GGG not want to risk anything. And I don’t understand why, I don’t see anyone beating him to be honest, Charlo isn’t beating IMHO, Demetrius Andrade would give him issues with the constant movement thing but he would not get the decision unless he stands in the pocket and stops GGG.

assurances mean nothing..... and are often wrong

if those fights are no problem..... then what is the hold up ?

like I said..... if Canelo never fights Golovkin again, it is 100% Golovkin's fault

most of the fans, will somehow blame Canelo..... despite the fact that it is clearly obvious what Golovkin needed to do, and apparently no problem for Golovkin according to most fans

[Tutsa]

Why would you give guaranteed money to any boxer unless he fights the best in and out of his weight class . DJ and Fields Canelo got 70 $ million wtf is going on same with a 37 year old fighter getting 14 million for fight a cab driver also has another 86 million coming cause ggg and Canelo had a decent 2nd fight . No knock downs landed punches body and head for Canelo, GGG all to the head late in the fight . Wtf is wrong with Skipper and Dazn it’s boxing for that type of money guys in the 90s would’ve fought a gorilla 🦍!

[Eff Pandas]

Wikipedia is not a source of facts. It might actually be facts that are recorded and it is a great reference for information, but in academic circles, and journalist's that take their jobs seriously know that Wikipedia is not a peer-reviewed source.

It's the same with your quote about Jay-Z.

You just simply can't use these casual reference sources as indisputable evidence or truth because they're not fact-checked and in the case of Wikipedia, anyone can log in and change a web page.

If you decide to use these kinds of sources, then you ought to at least declare you are, by predicating or prefixing your sentences with 'according to', or 'based on', signalling that the references you are using are not fact-based or up to proper standards.

Wikipedia does strive to attain being a source of authoritative information, but as it stands it is not.

You will probably flame me for this, and go for it, but these are the rules and regulations of argumentation.

Cheers

My only aim at linking Wikipedia was to show all DAZN's networks in all countries they are in & all the sports they already have rights to.

Feel free to cross reference those sports DAZN has deals with on their various platforms & strike down the ones that you feel are wrong on the wikipedia page.

[Bullrider]

This is the problem with this damn sport. All they can talk about is Canelo, Golovkin, Canelo, Golovkin... As if they're the only fighters out of hundreds. It's frustrating the rest are not stepping up, fight competitive fights and become stars on their own. They all want to leech off someone's popularity.

[Eff Pandas]

Yeah, I was discussing DAZN to a buddy and we were talking about the fact that boxing is just one part of thier plan and while I think they have spent handsomely for those boxing programs I think boxing isn't even their ultimate priority. It was their avenue to get into American sports viewership. I think they will ultimately spread into other sports more heavily and challenge ESPN and other sports networks globally.

It may not work. Who know. Similar to Amazon, they are willing to lose heavily early on to take a profit later down the road.

Excatly to the first part.

And exactly to the bolded. And the bolded is the way you gotta do it in a competitive market or where your goals are big to make an impact as big as you wanna make it. You can't mom & pop your way to becoming ESPN's equal or successor. I mean you can try but it'll take 50+ years. These companies trying to disrupt the status quo with new &/or emerging technologies are trying to flip over the applecart in 10-15 years or sooner if the opponent is that open to be overthrown.

Uber STILL hasn't figured out how to make money while competing with the cab drivers that have the government backing them in many states. The specifics are different for DAZN, but the battle to overcome the ESPN's & Fox Sports' & Sky Sports eventually among all the sports stations in all these countries they are in is the same & requires a massive bankroll, risk taking & the possibility of failure.

[Eff Pandas]

Here is the thing the company is based in the UK but has no UK operation. The reason the cost of sports is too high. This was all the the Forbes article about what DAZN was before who was backing them and what they were trying to become I forget the title and author but there was a link to it on here sometime back, was a very interesting article.

If sports in the UK are too expensive, sports in the US dwarfs UK money and has a ton of huge players that all value sports above all else because they need to be watched live. Even with selling the analytics portion which had value because it made money they would only be talking 100 of millions at best probably a couple. However playing with the real sports in the US you need to be talking billions and to go to an unknown app they would have to blow established players out of the water with the money they would offer.

That is a whole lot of bread, I think they came to the US too soon they should have become a juggernaut worldwide then they would have the funds to properly compete. They are doing good around the globe but they still needed years before really trying to come to the US, and compete for major US sports right here.

I still say they are playing the game to sell out, with a silly name like DAZN which screams something they didn't put a ton of thought into because it was never intended to last someone is meant to buy it preferably a major US player which is the only reason to come to the US early in my eyes.

DAZN is a sh^t name. But when you think about any of these 3 or 4 letter network names few stand out as much more than a means of branding the product. ESPN for an easy example is as sh^t if not more sh^t, but today those 4 letters mean something more than just those 4 letters. And if DAZN is a success at some future date I imagine my & most peoples stance would more fall in line with the current thoughts on ESPN.

As to the UK thing idk why they haven't jumped into the UK yet. Maybe there are market issues there that I'm not aware of or maybe sports rights work different there or they thought a US move could get some results faster idk. It seems like a debatable topic more than there is one theory that is massively more likely than others.

And they could be in it to sell it. Idk enough about this Ukrainian billionaire to know his general MO with his businesses, but to me it mostly seems like a risky, but winnable bet that this transition into streaming could king more new players in the visual entertainment sphere & they could be one of them. And if they do become a king in this new sphere the profitability at becoming the worldwide ESPN is insane. And if they don't then maybe they end up profitable with a sale or worse case its a gamble that loses this guy a bill or two of his 15B or w/e.

No one wins all their bets, but you never win if you never bet either.

[Shadoww702]

Roc Nation was bankroll for boxing. DAZN is bankroll for sports. Again this is the thing you keep getting wrong. DAZN isn't here to get into boxing. DAZN is here to get into sports.



Again who cares. DAZN is trying to pop its head into American SPORTS not just American BOXING. There is a difference. A huge difference



I think you are assuming DAZN is something they aren't with their involvement in boxing. DAZN isn't trying to be PBC or TR. They are trying to be HBO. HBO kept a fair distance from most of that bs you mention. They just tried to put on the best fights.



Having a lot of money in anything means SOMETHING. But yea you still gotta be smart how you use it. I agree with you there.

But if DAZN f#cks up, & they for sure could I've never argued with you about that I just argue with you over your certainty they will fail, it'll be in major sports not in boxing. Boxing is small potatoes compared to the bigger sports in the US that DAZN is trying to attain.

You are correct! I’ve been doing their private beta and they ask questions about ALL sports.

[Ray*]

assurances mean nothing..... and are often wrong

if those fights are no problem..... then what is the hold up ?

like I said..... if Canelo never fights Golovkin again, it is 100% Golovkin's fault

most of the fans, will somehow blame Canelo..... despite the fact that it is clearly obvious what Golovkin needed to do, and apparently no problem for Golovkin according to most fans

That’s my pick, am picking him to beat Charlo and Andrade, just like am picking Wilder to beat Joshua. That doesn’t mean either of them GGG/Wilder are that eager to take those fights. I too want GGG to go ahead and fight those guys in between looking for the Canelo fight.

[Eff Pandas]

It's not complicated at all. You're explaining DAZN as something it's not. And you keep referring to how much money the owner has. He's not about to pour his fortune into DAZN. He'll put as much he can afford to lose of his own money and investors will foot the majority of the bill. And investors will look at what they've accomplished so far in the US

Well yea, but generally the guy with 15B can get more money than the guy with 1B. And afaik this guy hasn't even asked for money or for DAZN to be publicly traded for him to access more money.

And you keep discounting the established US companies DAZN has to compete against. Not only more established, but more money. They can't compete with Disney, Amazon, or Google.

Show me where I've discounted competitors? Competitors is why I've stated over n over that I wouldn't bet on DAZN. That said I'm not in crazy town & think DAZN has 0% chance to win like you do.

Whoever is the innovator in this new streaming sphere will win. And Fight f#cking Pass has been the biggest innovator up til now & they aren't winning sh^t on the grand scale of the game being played.

Best case scenario I see for them is being acquired by a bigger company. And boxing might get lost in the shuffle the same way it did at HBO when they got bought out. Boxing is a headache a lot of people don't see as being profitable enough to deal with.

They could merge or get bought out eventually. We are waaaaay f#cking early in this whole move to streaming.

And they could drop boxing, but I think its a bad move to do so cuz of its mass appeal in many countries. If anything they should be doing more boxing in more countries. Boxing is ultimately the cheapest sport to f#ck with that has the highest potential ROI if you make the right fights.

The problems with boxing start & end with boxing itself. If anything I think a big player could help make boxing bigger if they acquire a critical mass of talent. Which was what I was hoping HBO woulda done back in the day & like I was hoping PBC would do. Ultimately boxings best future involves an end to all this "wrong side of the street" bs.

[Ray*]

I do !!

FACT: Canelo said this..... "There is no clause in my contract that forces me to fight against Golovkin"

FACT: Canelo signed his contract with DAZN before Golovkin did..... nobody knew Golovkin would sign with DAZN at that point

it is clearly obvious that Canelo selects his opponents

I am also 100% positive that Golovkin has the final say on his opponent selection..... no fighter would ever be ****** enough to sign away that right

I am almost 100% positive that unless Golovkin wins a title NEXT (Andrade or Charlo)..... then Canelo will never fight him again



you do not need to read between the lines..... that is what Canelo said

if a trilogy fight never happens..... it is 100% Golovkin's fault

he knew what he had to do

You do, but I don’t... fighters would say anything when their backs is against the wall. We shall see what happens in the next 4/5 years of that deal.