casual fans need to learn how to score a fight.....

[Shadoww702]

regarding G landing more.....

according to who, compubox ?

really ?

do compubox use the official scoring criteria when judging punches?

aight then, let's not talk about compubox

judges only score clean hard punching..... compubox scores anything and EVERYTHING, at times

and regarding percentage of landed punches.....

I do not score for that, and I don't think the judges do either

Golovkin should have been judged on the effectiveness of his punching, not the volume..... throwing more punches means nothing

it is a negative, sure..... but when Golovkin missed, especially wildly..... the judges scored defense for Canelo.....

throwing more punches, but missing..... is unnecessarily expending energy, and providing your opponent with opportunities..... can even fall under ring generalship..... especially if you tire late, and get countered often

I don't really score using percentages..... too iffy, and too difficult..... missing is accounted for under the official criteria

just my 2c, not 100% sure how the judges deal with that..... you could be right

I watch streetbeefs a bit..... mostly horrible styles and little technique, but good for a laugh..... interestingly, they posted their rules last night..... they do score using percentages, but Golovkin clearly would not have won that fight under their rules either





despite being amateur, streetbeefs realize that this is the hurt game, not the amateurs..... their main scoring criteria is meaningful punches, defense, and who manages to inflict their style on their opponent

they value effective aggression, but you must be landing meaningful punches to be regarded as "effective"

Exactly!

Round 1

GGG landed 14
Canelo 12

But threw 11 more. So WTF do these clowns say GGG should win the round??? Because he landed 2 more???? All the rounds landed. GGG only landed like 2-4 more but threw 257 more!

Canelo landed and Average of like 40
% of his power punches! That's INSANE!!!

GGG Bread and butter was the jab and he only landed that 21% of the time!

Last Stat. 234 Landed for GGG. 202 Canelo / 12 and that's 2.6 more per round! WOW!!! But MISSED 645 Times! That's fkn SLOPPY and Hellen Keller sht!

[aboutfkntime]

Exactly!

Round 1

GGG landed 14
Canelo 12

But threw 11 more. So WTF do these clowns say GGG should win the round??? Because he landed 2 more???? All the rounds landed. GGG only landed like 2-4 more but threw 257 more!

Canelo landed and Average of like 40
% of his power punches! That's INSANE!!!

GGG Bread and butter was the jab and he only landed that 21% of the time!

Last Stat. 234 Landed for GGG. 202 Canelo / 12 and that's 2.6 more per round! WOW!!! But MISSED 645 Times! That's fkn SLOPPY and Hellen Keller sht!

the point is..... ineffective volume from Golovkin, actually provided Canelo opportunities to land clean hard counters..... and he took that opportunity, often

you can outwork an opponent, sure..... but not if your opponent is landing more MEANINGFUL punches because of the opportunities your "workrate" provides him

there is a reason why Golovkin could not work the body in either fight

" make him miss, then make him pay "
~ Sugar Ray Leonard

[Shadoww702]

Your wasting your time. I've been saying that for years & still has accomplished nothing.

These listed are the reasons most journalist scorecards are the definition of know nothing casual imbecility. These reasons listed are why Canelo won both ggg fights CLEANLY.

Ggg threw 80% arm punches with nothing behind them besides arm strength. Canelo LITERALLY teed off on ggg at will in both fights landing some of the cleanest combos up & downstairs of straight up haymakers where he twists his torso completely to get as much velocity as possible,ggg especially in the 2nd fight was throwing majority of punches on the back foot & failed to land anything but jabs cleanly 90% of the time.

Canelo landed every single punch in his arsenal while battering gggs body over 2 fights landing at a 100-13 disparity,& in both fights landing more power shots & at an extremely high percentage CLEANLY. Ggg was being instructed by Sanchez the entire rematch to keep throwing 1-2 shots & no more at a time,& that's all ggg did while canelo was the ring general in both fights,his punches in both fights were by far the cleanest hardest hitting punches delivered in combos gggs were not.

Ppl need to realize body shots are ALWAYS scored as power shots by definition & body shots are supposed to score high pts.

These CASUALS don't even count body punches. They never had the wind knocked out of them from one where you can't breathe and do nothing about it!

I'll let someone jab me all DAY if I can land 40% of my power punches on them! Especially if it's off their back foot fighting backwards

On averga GGG landed like 2.2 per round but ALSO missed 645 TIMES!!!

[aboutfkntime]

These CASUALS don't even count body punches. They never had the wind knocked out of them from one where you can't breathe and do nothing about it!

I'll let someone jab me all DAY if I can land 40% of my power punches on them! Especially if it's off their back foot fighting backwards

On averga GGG landed like 2.2 per round but ALSO missed 645 TIMES!!!

Helen Keller fans will jump on any reason to say he won the fight

but punches landed, according to compubox, is a TERRIBLE reason LMAO

surely the official scoring criteria should at least bear some relevance

[Shadoww702]

Helen Keller fans will jump on any reason to say he won the fight

but punches landed, according to compubox, is a TERRIBLE reason LMAO

surely the official scoring criteria should at least bear some relevance

That’s 99% of their excuses saying GGG won. That and the media. I saw a lot of their cards and quite a few didn’t even mathematically add up???

[kafkod]

Exactly!

Round 1

GGG landed 14
Canelo 12

But threw 11 more. So WTF do these clowns say GGG should win the round??? Because he landed 2 more???? All the rounds landed. GGG only landed like 2-4 more but threw 257 more!

Canelo landed and Average of like 40
% of his power punches! That's INSANE!!!

GGG Bread and butter was the jab and he only landed that 21% of the time!

Last Stat. 234 Landed for GGG. 202 Canelo / 12 and that's 2.6 more per round! WOW!!! But MISSED 645 Times! That's fkn SLOPPY and Hellen Keller sht!

the point is..... ineffective volume from Golovkin, actually provided Canelo opportunities to land clean hard counters..... and he took that opportunity, often

you can outwork an opponent, sure..... but not if your opponent is landing more MEANINGFUL punches because of the opportunities your "workrate" provides him

there is a reason why Golovkin could not work the body in either fight

" make him miss, then make him pay "
~ Sugar Ray Leonard

Just I know where you two are coming from here, please answer this question:

Fighter A throws 50 punches in a round, and lands 10 of them cleanly,

Fighter B throws just 5 punches, but they all land cleanly.

Neither fighter visibly hurts, wobbles, or knocks down the other.

Who won that round .. fighter A (20% connect rate) or fighter B (100% connect rate) ???

[CHOWWOKKA]

People on this site in general need to learn how to score a fight.

Apparently floyd has lost fights because he wasn't entertaining or didnt live up to the hype

[kafkod]

Helen Keller fans will jump on any reason to say he won the fight

but punches landed, according to compubox, is a TERRIBLE reason LMAO

surely the official scoring criteria should at least bear some relevance

Assuming neither fighter knocks down or visibly hurts the other, then the number of clean punches landed supersedes all other scoring criteria. Defense, effective aggression, ring generalship, etc, only become factors if both fighters appear to land the same number of clean punches.

[kushking]

Just I know where you two are coming from here, please answer this question:

Fighter A throws 50 punches in a round, and lands 10 of them cleanly,

Fighter B throws just 5 punches, but they all land cleanly.

Neither fighter visibly hurts, wobbles, or knocks down the other.

Who won that round .. fighter A (20% connect rate) or fighter B (100% connect rate) ???

It matters how the punches were delivered such as whether they were power shots & whether they were delivered in what locations & even whether each fighter twisted their body completely into the punch(haymakers instead of powershot).

If you're trying to apply hypotheticals you cannot use the example you gave because it bears no relation to canelo vs ggg 1 or 2. If you used an accurate example for a rd in which ggg landed slightly more it would be more like this:

Fighter A(ggg)threw 47 landed 12 punches(24%) in a given rd & 8 are jabs 4 are power shots,8 of those punches warn't cleanly landed at all & 3 of the 4 power shots were arm punches where he didn't commit his entire weight behind it,& if all his punches were landed in 1-2 shot combos at a time & zero were to the body.

Fighter B(nelo) threw 26 & landed 11 punches (43%)but 8 were power shots 3 jabs & 5 power shots were bodyshots. All the punches of fighter B were delivered Cleanly except 2 which were 1 jab & 1 powershot,all of fighter bs punches came in 3 shot combos or more,& fighter B completely threw his entire body into Majority of his punches & not only landed cleanly but landed eye catching highlight reel shots to body & face that immortalized fighter A(ggg) as the Iron chin of the ages.


That would be a much more accurate version as an example

[spenz]

If only judges would follow this and not be susceptible to bribery, patriotism, color coding and all sort of stuffs then we could have a better boxing world.