Is Roy Jones in his prime the best fighter of all time?

[Chollo Vista]

People just started to figure Roy out?

Haha!

What, after he'd fought 50 fights, across 5 weight classes, after 15 years?

Yeah.


You never saw Joe knocked out, because he didn't fight the same number of fights, against the same calibre of fighters, in the same weight divisions, Einstein.

Jeez, if Roy had spent his entire career at SMW, he'd have defended his IBF belt 30 odd times, without a blip on his resume.

No, you never saw Joe get knocked out by Tarver. And you never would have done. Because he wouldn't fight Tarver. He wouldn't fight Roy or anybody at LHW in the late 90's-early 00's, because he preferred to starve himself to fight the likes of Mario Veit at SMW instead. And when he did move up to LHW, he wouldn't fight Dawson, saying he'd done nothing, even though he'd beaten Adamek, Tarver and Johnson etc, preferring to instead fight a guy who 12 months earlier, he'd labelled as being washed up since 2004.


One day you'll realise that if Joe had taken the path that guys like Roy walked, he would never have retired undefeated.

At 34, Roy fought a top 10 HW, before dropping back to fight Tarver at LHW. And LHW was Roy's THIRD weight class. Whereas Joe walked around at 190, but wouldn't fight at LHW until 2008.

When Joe was 34, he fought Peter Manfredo and Sakio Bika, 2 TV fighters from the "Contender"

When Roy was making history, Joe was defending his WBO belt against Tocker Pudwell.

If Roy had fought those same fights that Joe did in the same order, he'd have retired undefeated.

If Joe had fought Roy's opponents in the same order, the likelihood is that he wouldn't have done.


You've got a lot to learn about this game.

Well damn

Zim laid the law

[robertzimmerman]

Roy was a great fighter but **** me he gets overrated on here. what killers did roy beat? toney and hopkins is about it. he feasted on fringe level ****e for most his career and beat a fat pudding at heavyweight. man some of the comments in this thread, suggesting hes the best fighter of all time, get the **** outta here! He beat toney who himself lost to fighters who werent amazing. Hopkins was a good win but joe beat him toodid he not? Almost landing double the punches on compubox. And hopkins went on to whoop pavlik the fight after. And lets not forget that when joe and roy fought (both old) joe boxed circles round him and roy couldnt land a glove on him after the first round, oh wait i guess YA'LL MUST HAVE FORGOT.

Another clueless post.

Your ignorance really knows no bounds.


Joe spent 90% of his career starving himself to fight in a weak division, defending a lightly regarded belt against mainly B and C class fighters. 21 defences, with 7 mandatories. Which means he WANTED to fight those other 14 fights. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? Even when he knew Ottke or Beyer wouldn't give him unification fights and that there wasn't any other big fights on the horizon at the time, he still chose to remain at the weight. What does that say about him?


A fat pudding at HW? A fat pudding who guys like Evander and other decent HW's like Rahman struggled with?

Wake up man!

Roy was a former JMW.

He'd had 50 fights.

He was 34 years old.

He was outweighed by over 30 pounds.

How have you got the gall to disrespect that win, when Joe wouldn't have dared such a feat?

Roy beat a top 5-10 HW with ease, whilst Joe wouldn't even fight at LHW.

Joe doesn't hold a win of the same magnitude.


Yes, Joe beat Hopkins. But he scrapped a win over a 43 year old version who had to feign injury to grab breaks because he couldn't fight at a fast pace anymore, whereas Roy beat him easily when Hopkins was 28, doing so with a fractured hand.


Joe's resume doesn't compare to Roy's, and beating him after he'd claimed he'd been shot since 2004, means that it was meaningless. He deserves zero credit for the win.


One day, you'll realise that the version of Roy who Joe fought, was a completely different fighter to the one who fought Toney.

It's literally like comparing the versions of Mike Tyson who fought Michael Spinks and Danny Williams.

[Metho_4u]

not with that glass jaw.


did he ever fight a 90% ko ratio beast with an iron jaw like GGG? he would get KTFO

Lmao! Gtfoh with that bull****... the beast almost lost to a weak chinned Danny Jacobs...****in h0mo

[Metho_4u]

hell no.... he wasnt even the best of his era.

So who was then?

[robertzimmerman]

Well damn

Zim laid the law

Answer me this Chollo:

What sort of ignoramus tries to discredit a former JMW's EASY win over a top 10 HW at 34, when Joe's biggest win was against Mikkel Kessler?

This guy is CLUELESS.

[Vadrigar.]

Couldnt be touched..

I have Ali ahead of him and maybe SRR but Roy Jones is certainly up there. The reason being, Ali had the athletic gifts of Roy while having the chin of a slugger/brawler. That's extraordinary if you think about it because most of these extreme athletic boxers have a fatal achilles heel and Roy did. But Ali had this essential physical attribute covered.

[Madison Boxing]

So who was then?

in his division?... Joe 'the pride of wales' Calzaghe.

[Madison Boxing]

Answer me this Chollo:

What sort of ignoramus tries to discredit a former JMW's EASY win over a top 10 HW at 34, when Joe's biggest win was against Mikkel Kessler?

This guy is CLUELESS.

yeah, he may have been a former JMW but i dont think it was a 'natural' progression to heavyweight put it that way....

[Chollo Vista]

Answer me this Chollo:

What sort of ignoramus tries to discredit a former JMW's EASY win over a top 10 HW at 34, when Joe's biggest win was against Mikkel Kessler?

This guy is CLUELESS.

To be on a boxing website as long as some of them have, you would think they would have an idea about boxing. Roger really wasnt lying when he said most people DKSAB

[Metho_4u]

in his division?... Joe 'the pride of wales' Calzaghe.

I like Joe, but no, he absolutely was not. Then again, you probably think golovkin is an atg MW, which is pretty sad.