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    #51
    Originally posted by SkillspayBills View Post
    Absolutely. There isn't a fighter that has ever laced up a pair of gloves that is better than Roy Jones Jr in his prime.
    absolute nonsense ^

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      #52
      Originally posted by robertzimmerman View Post
      Yeah.

      Most of the guys here can only debate with BoxRec stats.
      You got to remember that a shot to schit Jones jr. Knocked down calzaghe and had him out on his feet in the first round. Joe never makes it out the first round against Prime Roy Jones jr. Hell he barely made it out the 1st round against 1/10 version the fighter he once was.
      Last edited by Chollo Vista; 07-01-2017, 05:17 PM.

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        #53
        Originally posted by bigdramashow View Post
        absolute nonsense ^
        He had not only foot speed of a lightweight, but the hand speed of one two. He not only had power in each hand he had ONE PUNCH KNOCKOUT power in each hand. He had reflexes that were once on a generation and the athleticism to make him untouchable for almost 50 fights. With my own eyes, I have never seen anyone better than him in his prime.

        I'm not talking about resume, opponents, or legacy, I just mean one fighter at their very best... Roy was it.

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          #54
          Originally posted by robertzimmerman View Post
          Mackie Shilstone is one of the most respected sport science strategists in the world, who also helped Spinks move up to fight Holmes, and Hopkins to move up against Tarver.

          Roy also passed 3 random tests in fights after Hall in 2000.
          Lets be real here. All top athletes are on PED's (not just boxers). That includes Mayweather, Conor, Joshua, Ward, Kovalev, Pacquiao and yes Roy when he was at his best.

          For the record, I have absolutely no issue with this and actually support the use of PED's in sports and believe they should be legalised. So I am NOT in any way hating on the guys mentioned above, all credit to them for stepping up their game.

          But lets be honest there is no way Roy could have gained the muscle he did in that short space of time. Just going by the eye test and observing his physique it's obvious he was on the juice.

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            #55
            Originally posted by Chollo Vista View Post
            You got to remember that a shot to schit Jones jr. Knocked down calzaghe and had him out on his feet in the first round. Joe never makes it out the first round against Prime Roy Jones jr. Hell he barely made it out the 1st round against 1/10 version the fighter he once was.
            BDS is now sat at his keyboard with a headache, thinking to himself:

            "But how can these guys be so adamant that Roy was a better SMW, when I saw Joe beat him so easily in 2008?"

            Ha!

            He'll figure it out one day.

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              #56
              Originally posted by SkillspayBills View Post
              He had not only foot speed of a lightweight, but the hand speed of one two. He not only had power in each hand he had ONE PUNCH KNOCKOUT power in each hand. He had reflexes that were once on a generation and the athleticism to make him untouchable for almost 50 fights. With my own eyes, I have never seen anyone better than him in his prime.

              I'm not talking about resume, opponents, or legacy, I just mean one fighter at their very best... Roy was it.
              His brain can't comprehend any of that.

              To him, the only version of Roy that existed was the almost 40 year old version who Joe beat.


              It would honestly be like 2 guys sitting at a bar, with one saying:

              "I'm telling you man, I honestly think Mike would have taken out Lennox in his prime"

              With the other one replying back with:

              "No way man, Danny Williams beat him"

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                #57
                Originally posted by T3dBundy View Post
                i cant imagine calzaghe beating prime roy jones, at best he wins 4 rounds.
                Jones knocks Joe out unconscious in the late 90's early 2000's

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Vadrigar. View Post
                  Lets be real here. All top athletes are on PED's (not just boxers). That includes Mayweather, Conor, Joshua, Ward, Kovalev, Pacquiao and yes Roy when he was at his best.

                  For the record, I have absolutely no issue with this and actually support the use of PED's in sports and believe they should be legalised. So I am NOT in any way hating on the guys mentioned above, all credit to them for stepping up their game.

                  But lets be honest there is no way Roy could have gained the muscle he did in that short space of time. Just going by the eye test and observing his physique it's obvious he was on the juice.
                  I understand that you'd be foolish to dismiss it, but I don't think it's a given that Roy juiced for Ruiz. And I'm sure he was tested.

                  Roy's fight night weight for Woods was about 186 pounds.

                  Mackie had him weighing about 10 pounds heavier, 7 months later.

                  He didn't pack a ton of weight on, he just changed his % of body fat.

                  He did the same thing with Spinks when he fought Holmes in 1985.

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                    #59
                    I dont mind people thinking that Jones was the best of all time. Its an opinion. Who can say he didnt look terrific against Vinny Paz?

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                      #60
                      ya, probably.

                      He was a literal freak of nature like LeBron James and Bo Jackson.

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