Should boxers who test positive for illegal drugs be allowed into IBHOF?

[Robbie Barrett]

Are you a ******...?

Are you? The athletic commissions don't ban IV's you ******. VADA/USADA testing is voluntary, you can't say a fighter shouldn't be in the HOF for taking an IV when others are allowed to have them any time they want. Lets punish the guy who volunteered to have stricter testing for something that isn't even illegal under the commissions rules.

[Robbie Barrett]

DLH shouldn't be in the HOF he took an IV before the Pacquiao fight.

[Elroy The Great]

Its like if we go to a race track. You're running Exxon 87 in your car and Im running Turbo Blue 110. Who do you think is winning that race? Steroids and other PEDs give the cheat so many advantages. The clean fighter has to work much harder, run much further, lift more reps, to be close to being on the same playing field as the PED head. I dont know the numbers either, but anywhere near 50% would absolutely shock me. Id be surprised if it were any lower than 80% on clean vs unclean fighters

the human body is different. you can change the engine and start all over again. cant stop the aging process. ive yet to come across a single fight where the roider won a fight he had no business winning.

not one.

[ADP02]

1. There was a delay of many hours then Floyd gave a partial to show that he couldn't urinate much (another red flag. Read below Sean Kneebone) BUT there is still a delay and it was NOT an adequate amount to test.

2. "Give him a bottle of water and wait 45 minutes and you'll get your urine sample" said Sean Kneebone, a former Olympic track and field sprint coach with a great deal of experience preparing elite athletes for peak performance and navigating drug testing protocol."
""I find it hard to believe that Floyd Mayweather's team would have allowed this to happen, particularly given the magnitude of the fight and who he was facing," said Kneebone. "You don't go into a fight with Manny Pacquaio and mess up something as basic as cutting weight. As far as we know, Mayweather has never had problems making the 147lb limit, so at the very least, this is a red flag that warrants further investigation."

Hyponatremia: You keep on bringing this up but with no explanation as to how Floyd had this. There are several reasons why this made no sense.
For one, this can cause brain injury and the treatment would go on for days. Floyd was not rushed to no hospital for, at the very least, precautionary reasons and to get a proper diagnosis!



3. Nope. I bring up 3 points. If any one of them is wrong, its a red flag. When out of the 3, one is a definite lie and the others are bogus, its enough for me.
URINE: Its a lie

BLOOD: Floyd's own statement back in 2011. read it and weep:
"Giving blood doesn't make you weak, not being able to juice because you have to give blood makes you weak" --- Floyd Mayweather of 2011

Exercise: USADA/WADA said its not a good excuse but Floyd wasn't even doing that at the time. He was just relazing and weighed in, drank enough water to rehydrate as per recommendations by USADA/WADA/studies .... and as stated above by Sean Kneebone, if urinating was supposedly the problem.


4. Sorry its you that does not know what you are talking about.I may have missed your post on Oscar but weighing in at 145 was not normal for Oscar so please do not even go there!!!

5. When Floyd got the IV he had no TUE. USADA came to the rescue and got him that. Be honest, you think that USADA didn't bend the rules a bit here? If Floyd got one then every athlete who cuts weight should be allowed no questions asked. Get Dr Ariza and USADA and you get a TUE after the fact THat is nonesense and you know it!

6. "When rHuEPO is administered in competition, it is anticipated that athletes use very small dosages of epoetin alfa administered IV in the evening, probably followed by considerable water intake. Such hyperhydration-masking schemes is intended to increase the urine flow, dilute the urine, and thereby reduce the amount of EPO in the collected sample. The Swiss cyclist Thomas Frei tested positive for rHuEPO in 2010. At a press conference just after testing positive, he acknowledged that the only reason that he failed the test was that he forgot to drink 1 L of water as he usually did after administering microdosages of rHuEPO."

Still talking the same bull****.
1. USADA followed WADA's rules for when an athlete can't give a complete sample. Obviously this occurs sometimes since WADA has rules in place for This situation.

2. Simple. Did Floyd have any condition that made IV rehydration more effective? Do you know? You don't, do you? Well then you have nothing to go on.

3. Anything that causes you to lose water can lead to dehydration, so just stop. You have no idea what he was doing right before the fight. Was he still running?

4. Oscar was at 143 a full month before the fight, weighed in at 145 and rehydrated to 147 or something like that. I gave you links to this before. A month of being around that weight is stable, no? And he didn't rehydrate 20 lbs. this ends your ******ity about stable weight.

5. Many posters have told you about WADA's retroactive TUE Rules. If you don't want to accept it, that's on you. Stop spreading false info.

6. Already told you his piss was given the specific gravity test. You claimed he wanted to mask his blood levels, but it wasn't a blood test. That shows how idiotic your speculation is.

How about answering my points?
- Expert agrees that Floyd didn't need an IV.
- Expert agrees that Floyd would have been able to urinate soon after drinking the fluids at the weigh-in.
- Floyd of 2011 would have called Floyd of 2015 a PEDs cheat and a liar.
- You make it sound like "its not possible for Floyd to have cheated" but as I pointed out, just the delay could have been all that Floyd wanted to get away with it or be extra sure and safe. Then he used an IV in which could have had anything!!! WHooaaa!!!

Even now, studies state that very few cheats are caught.



1. USADA just tried to meet minimal compliancy in this case.
Delaying by going and bet on a basketball game is following the rules?

Floyd supposedly didn't urinate all day long then drank enough to make him urinate relatively soon after yet no urine? You try doing that!
Urine normally flows at about 50-80ml/hr. Did you read what that expert said? Floyd should have been able to urinate soon after drinking.


2. Floyd said it but you do not want to listen to your hero Floyd. Dehydrated due to urine, Blood and exercise. Wrong answer Floyd!!!


3. Floyd said for a decade he has been making weight at 147 easily. If you go by his other fights, he even has a decent breakfast.

Like I usually do, I did lots of training this summer and I'm one of those who perspires like crazy so I lose lots of fluids. You recoup by drinking and eating well. No IV necessary. I do not even have Memo Heredia nor Dr Alex Ariza guiding me. You think losing 2 to 3lbs is a lot? Drop by my place and I will show you how easily I lose way more than that during a workout.
All Floyd did was make weight then go back up to previous weeks weight. So that's NOTHING!!!! Go ask Canelo what Floyd had him doing. For Canelo, who comes down from maybe 180, Floyd fans said, its not going to drain Canelo just because he needs to go down just another 2lbs to 152!

Now the same Floyd fans "I believe Floyd"

After drinking at the weigh-in, technically, he would not even have been considered dehydrated anymore!!!


4. Oscar? You still going there? You comparing a guy that had not weighed in that low in well over a decade while Floyd said he has made the WW limit EASILY for a decade. Plus, Oscar could have taken an IV for whatever reason he wanted to just like many NFL players reportedly use an IV prior to a game. Floyd on the other hand wanted "extra testing" for Manny and others then uses a banned method then 3 weeks after the fact gets USADA to rubber stamp it .

BTW - True or not, Oscar and his team said before and after that Oscar was in great condition. S & C coaches said it had more to do with Oscar's preparation and lack of decent sparring partners. Nothing to do with what we are discussing but if you have a link that says otherwise, I'd be curious enough to read it.


5. Having an IV is not what WADA expects in this case and you know that. If Floyd's name was Manny, you would be "waving the flag" and calling it all a big lie. You would be showing me 12 documents about it being impossible to be dehydrated due to giving urine, another 12 for blood and another 12 for exercising!



6. Again, when you use an IV, you can get a SG that is passible. Then they get the WADA Lab to confirm. If its not, well, since Floyd got a RETRO TUE, it didn't really matter that Floyd's urine was diluted. Its to be expected and thrown under the rug. Its just like Diaz's tests. Only 1 came back positive but the other 2 came back negative. The urine sample was collected and later analyzed by different labs using different dilution techniques. Both with their pros and cons. That is, the tests have their limits. It turned out that Diaz's urine was presumable too diluted to find the drugs in 2 of 3 tests. Who said so? Not the collector but the LABs. Actually at least one of the tests came back would have been acceptable under WADA guidelines. Actually, they stated that they have accepted urine tests in the past with specific gravities lower than what Diaz produced.



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[GGG Gloveking]

the human body is different. you can change the engine and start all over again. cant stop the aging process. ive yet to come across a single fight where the roider won a fight he had no business winning.

not one.

If you want to fight a guy on steroids, go right ahead. Been there, done that. No thank you

[Elroy The Great]

jimmy thunder, evander holyfield, mike weaver, mike tyson, rjj, timmy, brook, foreman 1.0, norton, pazienza 2.0, pinklon, k2, ab, hagler, jmm 2.0, aj, berto, morrison (rip),j jackson, etc

muscled ****s. not a perfect **** among them (yeah, brook got that 0....for now).

[Elroy The Great]

If you want to fight a guy on steroids, go right ahead. Been there, done that. No thank you

we never know until after the tests. why is that ?

no p''e''d will make a guy a better fighter.

[ADP02]

You are jumping all over the place hoping that something sticks. Do you have a problem with Arum paying for VADA testing? If not, don't be a hypocrite.

All you had to say was that I was right instead of deflecting.



Hmmm, so then you are saying that USADA is a hypocrite? Actually, I think USADA said it was "unethical" Then they did the same!!! Money is good!


USADA gets paid that "extra amount". So they are in a stratosphere that VADA is not at ..... but if there is a case similar to this, I do not care who it is. If its fishy, its fishy.

[Robbie Barrett]

How about answering my points?
- Expert agrees that Floyd didn't need an IV.
- Expert agrees that Floyd would have been able to urinate soon after drinking the fluids at the weigh-in.
- Floyd of 2011 would have called Floyd of 2015 a PEDs cheat and a liar.
- You make it sound like "its not possible for Floyd to have cheated" but as I pointed out, just the delay could have been all that Floyd wanted to get away with it or be extra sure and safe. Then he used an IV in which could have had anything!!! WHooaaa!!!

Even now, studies state that very few cheats are caught.



1. USADA just tried to meet minimal compliancy in this case.
Delaying by going and bet on a basketball game is following the rules?

Floyd supposedly didn't urinate all day long then drank enough to make him urinate relatively soon after yet no urine? You try doing that!
Urine normally flows at about 50-80ml/hr. Did you read what that expert said? Floyd should have been able to urinate soon after drinking.


2. Floyd said it but you do not want to listen to your hero Floyd. Dehydrated due to urine, Blood and exercise. Wrong answer Floyd!!!


3. Floyd said for a decade he has been making weight at 147 easily. If you go by his other fights, he even has a decent breakfast.

Like I usually do, I did lots of training this summer and I'm one of those who perspires like crazy so I lose lots of fluids. You recoup by drinking and eating well. No IV necessary. I do not even have Memo Heredia nor Dr Alex Ariza guiding me. You think losing 2 to 3lbs is a lot? Drop by my place and I will show you how easily I lose way more than that during a workout.
All Floyd did was make weight then go back up to previous weeks weight. So that's NOTHING!!!! Go ask Canelo what Floyd had him doing. For Canelo, who comes down from maybe 180, Floyd fans said, its not going to drain Canelo just because he needs to go down just another 2lbs to 152!

Now the same Floyd fans "I believe Floyd"

After drinking at the weigh-in, technically, he would not even have been considered dehydrated anymore!!!


4. Oscar? You still going there? You comparing a guy that had not weighed in that low in well over a decade while Floyd said he has made the WW limit EASILY for a decade. Plus, Oscar could have taken an IV for whatever reason he wanted to just like many NFL players reportedly use an IV prior to a game. Floyd on the other hand wanted "extra testing" for Manny and others then uses a banned method then 3 weeks after the fact gets USADA to rubber stamp it .

BTW - True or not, Oscar and his team said before and after that Oscar was in great condition. S & C coaches said it had more to do with Oscar's preparation and lack of decent sparring partners. Nothing to do with what we are discussing but if you have a link that says otherwise, I'd be curious enough to read it.


5. Having an IV is not what WADA expects in this case and you know that. If Floyd's name was Manny, you would be "waving the flag" and calling it all a big lie. You would be showing me 12 documents about it being impossible to be dehydrated due to giving urine, another 12 for blood and another 12 for exercising!



6. Again, when you use an IV, you can get a SG that is passible. Then they get the WADA Lab to confirm. If its not, well, since Floyd got a RETRO TUE, it didn't really matter that Floyd's urine was diluted. Its to be expected and thrown under the rug. Its just like Diaz's tests. Only 1 came back positive but the other 2 came back negative. The urine sample was collected and later analyzed by different labs using different dilution techniques. Both with their pros and cons. That is, the tests have their limits. It turned out that Diaz's urine was presumable too diluted to find the drugs in 2 of 3 tests. Who said so? Not the collector but the LABs. Actually at least one of the tests came back would have been acceptable under WADA guidelines. Actually, they stated that they have accepted urine tests in the past with specific gravities lower than what Diaz produced.



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Blah, blah, blah. Conspiracy theories.

Mayweather didn't break any rules, he got a TUE. That's all that matters.

[ADP02]

You are just posting straight up lies. Why I don't know.

What? Its a C/P straight out of WADA!!!