Should boxers who test positive for illegal drugs be allowed into IBHOF?

[Elroy The Great]

why are p''e''d's banned again ?

''they make you stronger. unnatural muscle mass !!!!''
bfd. muscles are muscles. i can run off a crazy list of boxers who didnt have muscles who are ATGs.

''they make you train harder and recover sooner !!!!!''
bfd. everyone is a beast during training camps. very rarely do you see a guy entering a fight not looking like a greek god. does this mean EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM ''CHEATED'' ?!?!?! i mean, how can you tell ?!?!? as for ''recovering'' fast....like wolverine fast ?!?!? a cut/swollen eye will heal itself in seconds ?

''stamina, doe !!!!!''
bfd. again, not many guys have gas issues. and i still cant find proof that p''e''ds guarantee a guy victory vs a guy he had no business beating.

''ok, hotshot. why do they take them ?!?!?!? if the dont work, why risk it ?!?!?!?''
a mystery. why do people smoke ? drink and drive ? lie on their taxes ? cheat on their SOs ? steal ? if we were to look at the ''success'' rate of p''e''d users, id be shocked if it was 50 %.

im not a fan of ''cheating'', i just feel this witch hunt is a waste of time. give a guy the option to use and let that info be disclosed. the whole ''cheating'' stigma is whats driving this illogical shame-a-thon. fnck, smoking weed can get a guy in trouble. let the ****s fight. the better man will always win.

[travestyny]

Ideally, it would be the case but as per WADA:

TUEC: The****utic Use Exemption Committee is the panel established by the relevant Anti-Doping Organization.

So in this case, USADA establishes the TUEC.


Usually that is OK but since Floyd's representatives pay off USADA it's not. Even USADA admits to that when they brought up the point that Lance Armstrong representatives paid off UIC for PEDs testing. and the amount mentioned for Lance was not an ongoing thing (that was discussed). USADA gets from Floyd's reps a substantial amount that is unusually higher than the competition!!!!

You are jumping all over the place hoping that something sticks. Do you have a problem with Arum paying for VADA testing? If not, don't be a hypocrite.

[Robbie Barrett]

Maybe these people that go on and on about the Mayweather IV should ask why Pacquiao was trying to take pain killing drugs before the fight when he, his promoter and his coach all say he wasn't injured going in to the fight?

If he had the injury since 2010 like his coach and promoter said, how many fights did he go in to pumped full of pain killers?

[Raggamuffin]

Should boxers who test positive for PEDs or use illegal IV injections to clear out PEDs be admitted into the IBHOF?

James Toney

Roy Jones Jr

Antonio Tarver

Erik Morales

Vitali Klitschko (amateurs)

Floyd Mayweather Jr (illegal IV injection)

I don't think that Floyd or Vitali tested positive for a boxing match. It's a hard question. Failing once and then being punished and coming back no. Failing more than once yes.

[GGG Gloveking]

NSAC isn't a signatory, they don't follow the full WADA code.

Here's the NSAC rules on injections.






As you can see no 50ml every 6 hour etc.

The NSAC is not a signatory to the WADA, however, the USADA is. Here is the portion of the WADA banned substances and methods 2015 that addresses the 50ml per 6 hours:

[QUOTE]M2. CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL MANIPULATION
The following are prohibited:
1. Tampering, or Attempting to Tamper, to alter the integrity and validity of
Samples collected during Doping Control.
Including, but not limited to:
Urine substitution and/or adulteration, e.g. proteases.
2. Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period
except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions,
surgical procedures or clinical investigations./QUOTE]

[Raggamuffin]

Ideally, it would be the case but as per WADA:

TUEC: The****utic Use Exemption Committee is the panel established by the relevant Anti-Doping Organization.

So in this case, USADA establishes the TUEC.


Usually that is OK but since Floyd's representatives pay off USADA it's not. Even USADA admits to that when they brought up the point that Lance Armstrong representatives paid off UIC for PEDs testing. and the amount mentioned for Lance was not an ongoing thing (that was discussed). USADA gets from Floyd's reps a substantial amount that is unusually higher than the competition!!!!

You are just posting straight up lies. Why I don't know.

[Robbie Barrett]

The NSAC is not a signatory to the WADA, however, the USADA is. Here is the portion of the WADA banned substances and methods 2015 that addresses the 50ml per 6 hours

No shit sherlock.

The point is people are calling Mayweather a cheat for an IV he got a TUE for. But don't realise any fighter that isn't taking USADA or VADA testing is free to have Saline IV's whenever they want.

[GGG Gloveking]

why are p''e''d's banned again ?

''they make you stronger. unnatural muscle mass !!!!''
bfd. muscles are muscles. i can run off a crazy list of boxers who didnt have muscles who are ATGs.

''they make you train harder and recover sooner !!!!!''
bfd. everyone is a beast during training camps. very rarely do you see a guy entering a fight not looking like a greek god. does this mean EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM ''CHEATED'' ?!?!?! i mean, how can you tell ?!?!? as for ''recovering'' fast....like wolverine fast ?!?!? a cut/swollen eye will heal itself in seconds ?

''stamina, doe !!!!!''
bfd. again, not many guys have gas issues. and i still cant find proof that p''e''ds guarantee a guy victory vs a guy he had no business beating.

''ok, hotshot. why do they take them ?!?!?!? if the dont work, why risk it ?!?!?!?''
a mystery. why do people smoke ? drink and drive ? lie on their taxes ? cheat on their SOs ? steal ? if we were to look at the ''success'' rate of p''e''d users, id be shocked if it was 50 %.

im not a fan of ''cheating'', i just feel this witch hunt is a waste of time. give a guy the option to use and let that info be disclosed. the whole ''cheating'' stigma is whats driving this illogical shame-a-thon. fnck, smoking weed can get a guy in trouble. let the ****s fight. the better man will always win.

Its like if we go to a race track. You're running Exxon 87 in your car and Im running Turbo Blue 110. Who do you think is winning that race? Steroids and other PEDs give the cheat so many advantages. The clean fighter has to work much harder, run much further, lift more reps, to be close to being on the same playing field as the PED head. I dont know the numbers either, but anywhere near 50% would absolutely shock me. Id be surprised if it were any lower than 80% on clean vs unclean fighters

[BM dnobagaV]

IV's are illegal only under USADA/VADA (without a TUE) rules which aren't a requirement.

Are you a ******...?

[GGG Gloveking]

No shit sherlock.

The point is people are calling Mayweather a cheat for an IV he got a TUE for. But don't realise any fighter that isn't taking USADA or VADA testing is free to have Saline IV's whenever they want.

Well, you went as far as to copy and paste some info, provide a link for said info, then post Theres nothing in there about 50ml... And now, its no ****. The point is the man did not have prior permisssion to violate the rules of WADA. It would be the exact same as if Manny had just went ahead and taken the pain meds for his shoulder, rather than request (and be denied) by the NSAC. With Floyd, there was no chance for anyone to say no.