Should boxers who test positive for illegal drugs be allowed into IBHOF?

[The Big Dunn]

Actually a balanced list by freedom lol

Surprised to see vitalis inclusion

You feelin alright lately freedom?

I voted Not sure.

I think the commisions should regulate a stringent random drug testing program and any positive test that springs up after the fight should automatically result in a DQ loss for the fighter.

He only included it because amateur record so he could later argue amatuer tests have no bearing on his pro record and performance so Vitali should be in.

[travestyny]

floyd's people actually tried to get language into the USADA contract that allowed them to get exemption without telling the NSAC or the other fighter, and pacquiao's people lauged at it! NSAC didn't even f#cking know about this sh#t until three weeks after the fight.

This is false. All of the language about the TUE was in WADA's ISTUE, NOT in the original contract. Pacquiao's team reviewed it and decided that they wanted more transparency, so *********s were put into the contract and THEN sent to Mayweather, who approved Pacquiao's team's *********s.

dude put roughly 15% of his blood volume worth of saline into his system on the eve of the pacquiao fight. maybe even more. if you don't suspect him of doping you're f#cking nuts.

This is also false. lol. It doesn't work like this, dude! 750ml of Saline solution, though it equates to roughly 16% of the blood in a human's body, only gives a 3-4% increase in blood volume, not 16%!!! You'd have to take about 3 liters of saline solution to increase your blood volume to that extent!!!

More Saline solution is given to treat a hangover than the amount that Floyd took! The problem is, with all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[New England]

This is false. All of the language about the TUE was in WADA's ISTUE, NOT in the original contract. Pacquiao's team reviewed it and decided that they wanted more transparency, so *********s were put into the contract and THEN sent to Mayweather, who approved Pacquiao's team's *********s.



This is also false. lol. It doesn't work like this, dude! 750ml of Saline solution, though it equates to roughly 16% of the blood in a human's body, only gives a 3-4% increase in blood volume, not 16%!!! You'd have to take about 3 liters of saline solution to increase your blood volume to that extent!!!

More Saline solution is given to treat a hangover than the amount that Floyd took! The problem is, with all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about.

you just said it was 16% of his blood volume :lol1. and then you made up a claim that i made about an increase in floyd's blood volume.

750 ML is several times what is allowed. that you bring up that it was less than is administered for a hangover [it's a heck of a hangover if you're in the hospital, so you're talking about legitimately dehydrated people anyway] is just a red herring. it was 16% of his [average male's] blood volume worth of saline. and it's 15 times the legal amount. that's just math.


let's pretend that you know what you're talking about for a minute. i'd love to have an expert in the thread! point me to some verifying medical data that demonstrated that floyd was so dehydrated that he needed an IV. that shouldn't be tough. this is a guy who claims to cut no weight. boxers who drop 15 lbs and put it back on do it with f#cking pedialite. what the f#ck was going on when usada showed up when floyd mayweather had a needle in his arm? why does the guy who cuts no weight need an IV?

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

IV's are illegal only under USADA/VADA (without a TUE) rules which aren't a requirement.

their illegal by NSAC without permission which floyd didnt have fight night so and also 700ml is never allowed regardless of any circumstances = cheating.

[Robbie Barrett]

their illegal by NSAC without permission which floyd didnt have fight night so and also 700ml is never allowed regardless of any circumstances = cheating.

No they aren't NSAC allows IV rehydration. Go ask the MMA fighters who openly admitted doing it until USADA took over UFC testing.

[travestyny]

you just said it was 16% of his blood volume :lol1. and then you made up a claim that i made about an increase in floyd's blood volume.

750 ML is several times what is allowed. that you bring up that it was less than is administered for a hangover [it's a heck of a hangover if you're in the hospital, so you're talking about legitimately dehydrated people anyway] is just a red herring. it was 16% of his [average male's] blood volume worth of saline. and it's 15 times the legal amount. that's just math.


let's pretend that you know what you're talking about for a minute. i'd love to have an expert in the thread! point me to some verifying medical data that demonstrated that floyd was so dehydrated that he needed an IV. that shouldn't be tough. this is a guy who claims to cut no weight. boxers who drop 15 lbs and put it back on do it with f#cking pedialite. what the f#ck was going on when usada showed up when floyd mayweather had a needle in his arm? why does the guy who cuts no weight need an IV?

You're having a hard time comprehending what I'm telling you.

The amount is 16% of blood in the human body. That does NOT mean that it increased the blood volume at a 1:1 ratio. It just doesn't happen that way.

Normal Saline

Normal saline is an ‘ECF Replacement Fluid’. Its [Na+] is similar to that of the extracellular fluid and this effectively limits its distribution to the ECF (distributing between the ISF & the plasma in proportion to their volume ie 3:1).

The ISF will increase in volume by 750 mls. The plasma volume will increase by 250 mls. This is why blood loss of 1,000 mls requires about 3 to 4 times the volume of IV replacement fluid to restore normal intravascular volume.


The information is out there if you look. You're emphasizing that it was 16% of his blood, and what I'm proving to you is that it's not very significant at all!

The services that come to your home to infuse IV fluid for a hangover almost always give 1000ml of IV fluid. There is no hospitalization needed. It's not considered a big deal. They set up the IV in your home and infuse a full liter. I can give you links if you need.

Beyond that, you are still misrepresenting the facts. Even Hauser had to backtrack and admit that Floyd was NOT caught with the IV in his arm. The DCO was with him way before the IV was administered.

As I stated before, De La Hoya was 143 a full month before his fight with Pac. He weighed in around 145. He was around 147 on fight night. Sure he came down from whatever he was at before the fight (his last fight was at 150 I believe...?) Not sure how much he went up before training for this fight, but again, he was 143 a full month before the fight and only rehydrated to 147. Seems he needed that IV. Where was the outrage then??? You are saying that Floyd wasn't dehydrated enough to need an IV. You have the burden of proof there, buddy, and you won't get far without his medical records. But talking about just his weight and rehydration obviously isn't enough to prove anything. Especially when you have an independent WADA lab doing the testing and an independent TUEC that approved the TUE.

And beyond that, why the hell would he take an IV to manipulate his blood levels when there was no blood test given that day???? If USADA helped him out so much, as so many of your ilk claim, wouldn't they tell him that he doesn't need to worry about manipulating his blood since it wasn't even for a blood test? The blood test was taken the next day. There is NO WAY the IV would affect a blood test taken the next day, and no way the IV would affect the urine test since the urine still has to pass the specific gravity test to make sure it isn't diluted.

[ADP02]

As i said this has been explained to you many times and Mayweather/USADA didn't break any rules. You choose to ignore it or you're a dense fuck. It doesn't matter either way, Mayweather won and is recognised as the best fighter of the era, an ATG. Deal with it you butthurt, salty, Pac turd.

USADA was the one who rubber stamped whatever Floyd did. That is what you choose to ignore.

Floyd could have delayed giving the sample by going and bet on a basketball game and USADA would have been OK with that too and that is against the rules ..... OH WAIT, that is what happened!

Floyd didn't urinate all day, we visually see him drink quite a bit of fluids at the weigh in and I'm sure he drank some more later and still cannot urinate into the evening. You actually believe that?

#TUE

[ADP02]

Of course USADA grants TUE's you moron. Stop embarrassing yourself.

NSAC complained because the fight was under their jurisdiction and felt USADA was taking over. Mayweather didn't need a TUE from NSAC because it's perfectly legal to use an IV under NSAC rules. He needed it for USADA.

750ml of water weighs a mere 1.6lbs, stop acting like he was given a bathtub full you idiot.

Interestingly, NSAC said this last year.

"We will continue to follow WADA’s Prohibited List, for both prohibited
substances and prohibited methodologies."

[Robbie Barrett]

Interestingly, NSAC said this last year.

"We will continue to follow WADA’s Prohibited List, for both prohibited
substances and prohibited methodologies."

NSAC isn't a signatory, they don't follow the full WADA code.

Here's the NSAC rules on injections.

NAC 467.850  Administration or use of alcohol, stimulants, drugs or injections; urinalysis or chemical tests; disciplinary action. (NRS 467.030)

1.  The administration of or use of any:

(a) Alcohol;

(b) Stimulant; or

(c) Drug or injection that has not been approved by the Commission, including, but not limited to, the drugs or injections listed in subsection 2,

Ê in any part of the body, either before or during a contest or exhibition, to or by any unarmed combatant, is prohibited.

2.  The following types of drugs, injections or stimulants are prohibited pursuant to subsection 1:

(a) Afrinol or any other product that is pharmaceutically similar to Afrinol.

(b) Co-Tylenol or any other product that is pharmaceutically similar to Co-Tylenol.

(c) A product containing an antihistamine and a decongestant.

(d) A decongestant other than a decongestant listed in subsection 4.

(e) Any over-the-counter drug for colds, coughs or sinuses other than those drugs listed in subsection 4. This paragraph includes, but is not limited to, Ephedrine, Phenylpropanolamine, and Mahuang and derivatives of Mahuang.

(f) Any drug identified on the most current edition of the Prohibited List published by the World Anti-Doping Agency, which is hereby adopted by reference. The most current edition of the Prohibited List may be obtained, free of charge, at the Internet address .

3.  The following types of drugs or injections are not prohibited pursuant to subsection 1, but their use is discouraged by the Commission:

(a) Aspirin and products containing aspirin.

(b) Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories.

4.  The following types of drugs or injections are approved by the Commission:

(a) Antacids, such as Maalox.

(b) Antibiotics, antifungals or antivirals that have been prescribed by a physician.

(c) Antidiarrheals, such as Imodium, Kaopectate or Pepto-Bismol.

(d) Antihistamines for colds or allergies, such as Bromphen, Brompheniramine, Chlorpheniramine Maleate, Chlor-Trimeton, Dimetane, Hismal, PBZ, Seldane, Tavist-1 or Teldrin.

(e) Antinauseants, such as Dramamine or Tigan.

(f) Antipyretics, such as Tylenol.

(g) Antitussives, such as Robitussin, if the antitussive does not contain codeine.

(h) Antiulcer products, such as Carafate, Pepcid, Reglan, Tagamet or Zantac.

(i) Asthma products in aerosol form, such as Brethine, Metaproterenol (Alupent) or Salbutamol (Albuterol, Proventil or Ventolin).

(j) Asthma products in oral form, such as Aminophylline, Cromolyn, Nasalide or Vanceril.

(k) Ear products, such as Auralgan, Cerumenex, Cortisporin, Debrox or Vosol.

(l) Hemorrhoid products, such as Anusol-HC, Preparation H or Nupercainal.

(m) Laxatives, such as Correctol, Doxidan, Dulcolax, Efferyllium, Ex-Lax, Metamucil, Modane or Milk of Magnesia.

(n) Nasal products, such as AYR Saline, HuMist Saline, Ocean or Salinex.

(o) The following decongestants:

(1) Afrin;

(2) Oxymetazoline HCL Nasal Spray; or

(3) Any other decongestant that is pharmaceutically similar to a decongestant listed in subparagraph (1) or (2).

As you can see no 50ml every 6 hour etc.

[ADP02]

Especially when you have an independent WADA lab doing the testing and an independent TUEC that approved the TUE.

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Ideally, it would be the case but as per WADA:

TUEC: The****utic Use Exemption Committee is the panel established by the relevant Anti-Doping Organization.

So in this case, USADA establishes the TUEC.


Usually that is OK but since Floyd's representatives pay off USADA it's not. Even USADA admits to that when they brought up the point that Lance Armstrong representatives paid off UIC for PEDs testing. and the amount mentioned for Lance was not an ongoing thing (that was discussed). USADA gets from Floyd's reps a substantial amount that is unusually higher than the competition!!!!