Comments Thread For: Garcia-Guerrero Preliminary Ratings Average - 2.259 Million

[IMDAZED]

They were ok none were great fights or great matchups so I spent most of the day bouncing back and forth between this and the Cavs game. It's just hilarious seeing the Haymon fanboys come up with new excuse after new excuse every time the PBC ratings come out and they tank. Either it bombed because it went head to head with NFL, head to head with Golf, one loser in particular actually blamed a PBC flop because it went head to head with WNBA on ESPN2 lol At what point do people open their eyes and say the ratings are just bad because the product is bad? We have about a year sample and PBC has been on just about every channel you can think of and still the ratings aren't good on any of the channels.

I see. One sentence on the fight, the rest on PBC, ratings, etc.

[OnePunch]

Well its sustainable as long as you have the resources.

Posters want better fights on PBC/SHO/NBC/ESPN-they want to see the best facing the best. For that to happen, you are going to have to pay more money, regardless of network affiliation. You say this isn't sustainable but also complain that the "sustainable" cards (mismatches with one high paying name and an opponent making peanuts) suck (which is fair criticism of some cards).

WHat is the happy medium between the 2?

you have to look at the individual motivation of whomever is putting up the money.

If its HBO or Showtime, they have an annual budget aimed at attracting subscribers to their service. If the bean counters feel they are not getting enough **** for their buck, then they replace the Hershmans or Espinozas, or whoever is buying their content.

Network tv is a whole other animal. They have to make the time slot profitable, regardless of the content. If they cant generate enough ad money to offset the rights fees and still make a profit, they dump it and move on.

What Haymon is doing is using the Waddell money to try and build up a ratings base that would incentivize a network to do a content buy, and so far the problem he has is that the ratings generated (although occasionally good), arent high enough or consistent enough to compel a network to put out $2 or $3 million an episode, especially when there is cheaper content out there that does better numbers.......

[The Big Dunn]

I'm not upset and by the numbers it drew not many watched the fight. These are bad ratings for Primetime network show. Events and programs that draw these type of ratings get canceled on FOX. Only reason this won't is because PBC is paying them. PBC is losing money not FOX they get paid regardless. But when the money runs out for PBC investors no chance FOX will phony up and pay for this. A product that is super expensive and draws crap ratings losing millions each time out.

How do you know what fox or NBC will do? I get you want it to fail, but HBO may not get 2.5 mil viewers for any show they put on this year.

[The Big Dunn]

you have to look at the individual motivation of whomever is putting up the money.

If its HBO or Showtime, they have an annual budget aimed at attracting subscribers to their service. If the bean counters feel they are not getting enough **** for their buck, then they replace the Hershmans or Espinozas, or whoever is buying their content.

Network tv is a whole other animal. They have to make the time slot profitable, regardless of the content. If they cant generate enough ad money to offset the rights fees and still make a profit, they dump it and move on.

What Haymon is doing is using the Waddell money to try and build up a ratings base that would incentivize a network to do a content buy, and so far the problem he has is that the ratings generated (although occasionally good), arent high enough or consistent enough to compel a network to put out $2 or $3 million an episode, especially when there is cheaper content out there that does better numbers.......

Well subscriptions have been dropping steadily as internet has increased, which is why HBO started to reduce its boxing budget.

I agree. But what is "profitable"? Is it sustaining 2.5 mil viewers like UFC in that timeslot? is it the ratings of 18-49 demographic?

I agree that on NBC and CBS, they have not had the best fights and have not done what is necessary to secure advertisers. That said, they just did 2.5 mil on ESPN and have a highly anticipated fight on CBS as we go into year 3 so maybe things are turning in the right direction.

You got to spend money to make it and the best fights means spending money, unless you make a like a Spence/Herrera type fight and you get a FOTY out of 2 lower paid fighters.

[bigdunny1]

They key demographic is Adults 18-49 and PBC was second behind the basketball game that night.

They didn't finish second to the basketball game they finished tied for 3rd in Adults 18-49 in demo ratings. Behind NBA on ABC and Primetime on CBS. But the gap between 1-3 was massive. NBA did double PBC. And they did almost triple PBC in the 18-34. Which is why on the chart you provided PBC is either red or orange in every major breakdown of the ratings. PBC needs to get in the green

[bigdunny1]

I see. One sentence on the fight, the rest on PBC, ratings, etc.

Read the title of this thread. Is it not about PBC ratings?

[IMDAZED]

Read the title of this thread. Is it not about PBC ratings?

Right. And some posters are happy to see a 2.5m tuning in to watch boxing, as opposed to the typical 1.3m the sport gets. Others are post this:

It's just hilarious seeing the Haymon fanboys come up with new excuse after new excuse every time the PBC ratings come out and they tank.

You pretend to know the financials but don't. None of us do. We do know that you are seriously praying for its downfall. Why is beyond me. You think it'll fail. We get it.

[bigdunny1]

How do you know what fox or NBC will do? I get you want it to fail, but HBO may not get 2.5 mil viewers for any show they put on this year.

Why are you comparing this to HBO? It's a totally different platform. HBO doesn't need to draw 2.5mil viewers that's the difference. Ballers on HBO features one of the biggest stars in hollywood right now. The Rock. And it drew on avg 1.7mil viewers on Sunday nights. And it was a massive success for HBO and was picked up immediately for season 2 and made HBO countless millions. PBC ratings so bad that you and others playing dumb like you don't know the difference between premium cable that has about 1/3 the amount of homes compared to FOX. There are shows that get canceled on FOX for drawing this many viewers. Such as Minority Report which just got canceled on FOX after it debuted with over 3mil rating and then went down to 2.07. The debut was branded a flop and was quickly slashed to 10 episodes and then canceled.




"If Minority Report was a cable show, 3 million would likely be a respectable, although rather unremarkable, number--especially compared to the numbers that some of the other shows did last night. However, network TV spends a lot of money to get programs on the air, and because of this, more viewers need to earn advertising dollars to cover budgets. Because of its low audience, Minority Report’s premiere did the lowest numbers of the night—and that’s even considering that premiere episodes of TV shows tend to be a program’s highest, as the numbers will settle lower in coming weeks when people decide which shows they will and won’t stick with.

Along with only 3.1 million total viewers, Minority Report also only pulled in a 1.1. rating—the lowest of the night on Monday. To Fox’s credit, however, the audience on the show must have skewed in the 18-49 demographic. For instance, ABC’s Castle (7.1 million) and CBS’ NCIS: Los Angeles (8 million) did way more total viewers than Minority Report, but still only ended up eking ahead in terms of the 18-49 rating—both shows nabbed a 1.2 rating. Still, Minority Report’s debut was in all ways a flop."

And Minority Report pulled in BETTER ratings then PBC just did. Ratings like this for any other programming on FOX get's your show canceled. Comparing it to HBO to try and justify it is laughable.

[OnePunch]

Well subscriptions have been dropping steadily as internet has increased, which is why HBO started to reduce its boxing budget.

I agree. But what is "profitable"? Is it sustaining 2.5 mil viewers like UFC in that timeslot? is it the ratings of 18-49 demographic?

I agree that on NBC and CBS, they have not had the best fights and have not done what is necessary to secure advertisers. That said, they just did 2.5 mil on ESPN and have a highly anticipated fight on CBS as we go into year 3 so maybe things are turning in the right direction.

You got to spend money to make it and the best fights means spending money, unless you make a like a Spence/Herrera type fight and you get a FOTY out of 2 lower paid fighters.

"profitable" at its core is simply taking in more money than you are putting out, regardless of ratings. And obviously that can mean different things to different content buyers. Do they want a 10% ROI? 30%? If the numbers are decent enough are they willing to break even for a season or 2 to build it? Would they even have the option to pick up additional seasons or would Haymon want the freedom to move it to another network? These are all questions that can have varying answers based on the individual goals of the networks in question, and honestly these are questions that nobody on this forum, myself included, has the answers to.......lol

[KnockoutKings]

With the different promotions and politics of boxing, its hard for most casual fans to follow boxing. Aside from a Mayweather or Pacquiao fight, they are not sure where to look. PBC is literally everywhere and I don't think its made an difference in awareness for boxing.

Guys like Canelo and GGG are popular with boxing fan bases but do they transcend the sport like May/Pac? I don't think so, at least not yet.