Where do you rank Wlad in the top 5 heavyweights of all time?

[!! Anorak]

Wlad's performance ******, it was unbearable to watch that fight.

I was pleased in the sense that I'd put a cheeky "what the Hell" £30 on Fury, expecting him to lose..... but I was amazed to see a *******ual gypsy playing with Wlad, making it look easy, while Wlad looked on like he was LarryX studying fifth grade.

[gmc_rfc_06]

I don't think it's fair to discount Wlad's accomplishments because he finally lost again at 39.

I agree.

I just believe, as I always have, that Wlad was a top fighter but that was largely a product of size. His good wins are all against much smaller men and the big guys he beat were all terrible.

The P4P talk was always ridiculous to me.

[Larry the boss]

Hopefully this puts Wlad's career in perspective a little.

Great guy, always classy, but he's not in the Lewis, Ali, Foreman league.

Good fighter, sure, but a product of size. He's never faced a top level opponent who he wasn't much bigger than and just lost to a decent HW who was bigger and not static.

well to be fare what was Ali doing at 39?

[Scipio2009]

Yet other than perhaps Lennox, Wlad would easily beat any of those fighters.

Too big too fast too furious.

Any fighter that can get inside of Klitschko's jab wrecks him, without much doubt in my mind.

Klitschko(6'6 245lbs, 81" reach) would have no idea what to do with Joe Louis (6'2 210lbs, 76" reach) or Larry Holmes (6'3 220lbs, 81" reach); Ali's lack of a real inside game would leave his chances, in a straight-up fight, down to how effectively he can use his feet/quickness to try and control the fight behind his shorter jab.

Klitschko's resume (just short of 20 years) is a pretty obvious one; Tyson Fury fight aside (I think age is finally catching up to Klitschko), the fights that he looked ho-hum in lay out a pattern.

Jennings, Povetkin, Peter I, the two KO losses, etc (admittedly having not watched every Wladimir fight, I'm simply commenting on the ones I've seen), if you make Klistchko fight, he falls apart.

[monkeyboy]

P4P thread guys!

[!! Anorak]

well to be fare what was Ali doing at 39?

You want to be a fare? Are you catching a bus?

[kadyo's]

That was a horrible fight. Clumsy fury floating like a turtle and stinging like a ****. God awful. l didn't make it watching past round 1.

[kadyo's]

You want to be a fare? Are you catching a bus?

l think he meant Ali didn't fare well at 39.

[!! Anorak]

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[krazyn8tive]

I know all gypos are a bit touched...but the song by Aerosmith? I still can't get that out of my head.