Where do you rank Wlad in the top 5 heavyweights of all time?

[crold1]

Wait, sorry... this was last week, wasn't it?

Rate him the same place in the top five I did before the Fury fight.

Not.

In.

[dr.french]

Joe Louis was better, Muhammad Ali was better, Larry Holmes was better, and I'd honestly rate Lennox Lewis as being better than Klitschko. From there, you go and look at the other old timers

Yet other than perhaps Lennox, Wlad would easily beat any of those fighters.

Too big too fast too furious.

[billeau2]

The famous philosopher Husserl once said that "all philosophy is a footnote to Plato"...I look at Vlad the same way, all heavyweight boxing is a footnote to the great one, the hugger, the man with the china chin and left hook of death (if the opponent was not moving)... You have Vlad and you have the rest of the men we call heavyweights! After all...did Joe Louis ever beat a UPS driver? I didn't think so.

[!! Anorak]

The famous philosopher Husserl once said that "all philosophy is a footnote to Plato"...I look at Vlad the same way, all heavyweight boxing is a footnote to the great one, the hugger, the man with the china chin and left hook of death (if the opponent was not moving)... You have Vlad and you have the rest of the men we call heavyweights! After all...did Joe Louis ever beat a UPS driver? I didn't think so.

What about the famous philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche? "When you gaze into the clinch, the clinch also gazes into you."

[billeau2]

What about the famous philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche? "When you gaze into the clinch, the clinch also gazes into you."

yes yes Nietzche indeed: "whatever UPS driver that does not kill you makes you stronger."

[-Kev-]

Hopefully this puts Wlad's career in perspective a little.

Great guy, always classy, but he's not in the Lewis, Ali, Foreman league.

Good fighter, sure, but a product of size. He's never faced a top level opponent who he wasn't much bigger than and just lost to a decent HW who was bigger and not static.

I don't think it's fair to discount Wlad's accomplishments because he finally lost again at 39.

[Jedi Vader]

He shouldn't even be mentioned in the top 50. He has beaten nobody of any note, he has limited skills, jabbed and grabbed against cruiserweights and got beat comprehensively against a d-level fighter who Frank Bruno would have beaten.

One of the most overrated frauds in heavyweight history.

[sugarsmosley]

has anyone seen elroy1? is he ok?

[!! Anorak]

I don't think it's fair to discount Wlad's accomplishments because he finally lost again at 39.

I thought he still landed some flush clinches against Fury.

[-Kev-]

I thought he still landed some flush clinches against Fury.

Wlad's performance ******, it was unbearable to watch that fight.