Comments Thread For: Andre Ward: They Pressure Me To Move Up, Not Others

[aboutfkntime]

Who u got in that Canelo/Cotto fight ?

Talked about this with a mate last night.

Really not sure.

That fight is harder to pick than a broken nose.

Initially I sided with Canelo..... boxing is a young mans game, and Canelo is a very good young fighter..... faster/stronger/younger than Cotto.

But Cotto is a better fighter than Canelo, he is a vet and he looks to be in a very good place physically and mentally.

Really not sure.

In terms of support...... been riding with Cotto longer than Canelo, and a Cotto win would cap off a great career..... but then Canelo is the future and him winning would likely be better for boxing.

I don't like to drink a lot before watching fights..... its too easy to get distracted and I like to concentrate..... but this time I think I'm gonna have more beers than usual and just sit back and enjoy the action.

Great fight, cant wait !

[SugarRaRobinson]

So why should GGG fight the top guy at 168 for his first fight?

Never said he should , GGG thought it was a good idea tho . He said he asked for the Ward fight , he also asked for Froch . Who the *** am I to disagree ?

[SugarRaRobinson]

Talked about this with a mate last night.

Really not sure.

That fight is harder to pick than a broken nose.

Initially I sided with Canelo..... boxing is a young mans game, and Canelo is a very good young fighter..... faster/stronger/younger than Cotto.

But Cotto is a better fighter than Canelo, he is a vet and he looks to be in a very good place physically and mentally.

Really not sure.

In terms of support...... been riding with Cotto longer than Canelo, and a Cotto win would cap off a great career..... but then Canelo is the future and him winning would likely be better for boxing.

I don't like to drink a lot before watching fights..... its too easy to get distracted and I like to concentrate..... but this time I think I'm gonna have more beers than usual and just sit back and enjoy the action.

Great fight, cant wait !

Lol , Should be a good one

[Boxingwizard]

[QUOTE=aboutfkntime;16208290]Ok, some fair points there, but just look at the bold.

" Degale..... is now considered the best SMW "

NOW Degale is relevant, but before Dirrell he was not.

Your opinion, I thought DeGale was relevant by 2014. Just because he wasn't the best SMW, doesn't mean he wasn't irrelevant certainly was top 5.

Groves had a better chance of landing that fight.

Groves never fought Ward, that's irrelevant. As a matter fact in a recent interview a couple days ago, Ward talked about the contenders in SMW, and Degale's name wasn't even mentioned. Odd that Ward would never mention DeGale.

Your opinion that Degale - Groves problems and all - was worthy, is just that, your opinion..... and that opinion will not mandate Ward to Degale.

What?

And btw, during that time, Degale STILL had Groves problems.
I have NEVER heard anyone refer to that situation as a duck.... as I said earlier, that just seems like desperation to sling mud at Ward imho..... it's certainly not an honest evaluation of what happened.

There is no desperate sling to throw mud at Ward, he's inactive for a long time and really hasn't fought a B/A level boxer in a while, the public want to see him against a quality opponent. Not only that he's not open to the public about what his intentions are. To be honest you are the first person to state that DeGale has Groves problems, everyone else in the media and in boxing forums wanted to see DeGale vs Ward if he was going to stay at SMW.

So Ward had the opportunity to take that fight, but chose not to...... so what..... Golovkin could have fought Ward/Lara/Cotto/Canelo...... but he chose not to. I dont hear a lot of people referring to those ducks, as ducks. And btw, ALL of those guys would be Golovkins best win..... and yet Degale would not be Wards best win, or even close.

It seems that Ward is starting to contract mayweatheritis..... the expectations on him seem to be so much higher than on everyone else.

DeGale's team has been pushing for a fight with Ward that's why I say he's been avoiding him. As for the comparison with Golovkin that doesn't make sense. Golovkin is not the one inactive and he wants a fight with Cotto and Canelo, it's the other way around the top contenders in the MW division are hesitant to fight him.

[aboutfkntime]

Your opinion, I thought DeGale was relevant by 2014. Just because he wasn't the best SMW, doesn't mean he wasn't irrelevant certainly was top 5.

I agree..... so what ?

IF Degale was in the top 5 at that point, then there were obviously 4 other guys right up there with him.....

..... so how does that even make Degale deserving, let alone THE MOST DESERVING?

..... it is taking that point to the very farthest extreme to state that just because YOU consider a guy deserving, any offer that he makes to Ward MUST be accepted immediately or else it's a blatant duck.

I wish folks held fighters like Golovkin to that standard.

Regarding that as a duck is desperation and reaching baaaaadly.

Groves never fought Ward, that's irrelevant. As a matter fact in a recent interview a couple days ago, Ward talked about the contenders in SMW, and Degale's name wasn't even mentioned. Odd that Ward would never mention DeGale.

What?

There is no desperate sling to throw mud at Ward, he's inactive for a long time and really hasn't fought a B/A level boxer in a while, the public want to see him against a quality opponent. Not only that he's not open to the public about what his intentions are. To be honest you are the first person to state that DeGale has Groves problems, everyone else in the media and in boxing forums wanted to see DeGale vs Ward if he was going to stay at SMW.

DeGale's team has been pushing for a fight with Ward that's why I say he's been avoiding him. As for the comparison with Golovkin that doesn't make sense. Golovkin is not the one inactive and he wants a fight with Cotto and Canelo, it's the other way around the top contenders in the MW division are hesitant to fight him.

IF Ward was staying at SMW, that fight would obviously happen.

YOUR opinion that Degale was the most deserving..... and YOUR opinion that Degale did not obviously have Groves problems..... and YOUR opinion that Ward had to take that fight or else..... will not be remembered by the historians.

[Boxingwizard]

I agree..... so what ?

IF Degale was in the top 5 at that point, then there were obviously 4 other guys right up there with him.....

..... so how does that even make Degale deserving, let alone THE MOST DESERVING?

..... it is taking that point to the very farthest extreme to state that just because YOU consider a guy deserving, any offer that he makes to Ward MUST be accepted immediately or else it's a blatant duck.

I wish folks held fighters like Golovkin to that standard.

Regarding that as a duck is desperation and reaching baaaaadly.

I never stated it was a blatant duck I was saying he was avoiding him along with the Dirrell brothers and other top contenders in the SMW division. DeGale gets the most attention because he's the only one as far as I can tell making offers. Seriously you sound sound like a butt-hurt Ward fanboy, and nothing I say it's extreme certainly not compared to what the general census is saying. Look it the best doesn't always fight the most deserving, Paul Smith is a great example of that. Ward beat most of SMW contenders during the super 6 tournament. By 2014 DeGale, Groves, the Direll brothers, Bute were the only ones Ward hasn't fought yet. DeGale probably wasn't the most deserving, but he was deserving. If you want to go by what's more relevant, DeGale was willing to fight Ward after he beat Dirrell called him out numerous times, and Ward didn't even respond back. Certainly a fight with DeGale would have done more to bring up his stock than against Alexander Brand. Yeah I would say Ward rejecting DeGale's offers mean something given that DeGale is one of the top 5 SMWs he hasn't fought yet. And let me spell this out for you, who you consider worthy of a title shot is not a factual standard.

And if you think I'm overreaching, check out this topic
// www. boxing forum24.com/showthread.php?t=550382&highlight=Ward+DeGale

Remove the spaces, 264 replies the topic says, "Is Ward going to LHW because of DeGale?

IF Ward was staying at SMW, that fight would obviously happen.

YOUR opinion that Degale was the most deserving..... and YOUR opinion that Degale did not obviously have Groves problems..... and YOUR opinion that Ward had to take that fight or else..... will not be remembered by the historians.

You're putting words in my mouth, I never said DeGale was the most deserving, I said he had the credentials to fight for Ward's title. From 2014-2015 who do you think deserved to fight Ward more than DeGale did? If you say Groves I'll agree but he was fighting Froch. And my opinions will be remembered by historians? What the **** are you talking about? LoL. Ward's legacy is nowhere near over and he still needs a lot to prove, and hopefully he stays true to his word and fights three times in 2016, most likely it will be against much better opponents than Brand. And he will fight DeGale, it will just be at LHW.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Never said he should , GGG thought it was a good idea tho . He said he asked for the Ward fight , he also asked for Froch . Who the *** am I to disagree ?

You've been crying for the last 3 months that GGG is ducking ward. Log off and start a new alt. This ones cooked.

[Beercules]

You've been crying for the last 3 months that GGG is ducking ward. Log off and start a new alt. This ones cooked.

[SugarRaRobinson]

You've been crying for the last 3 months that GGG is ducking ward. Log off and start a new alt. This ones cooked.

Lmao , cooked huh ? Do some due diligence and go back into my history . My narrative has always been the same . I've stated GGG is ducking Ward , because he is . In addition to that I've also stated that I wouldn't ask of him to take on Ward (the top guy at 168) as his first fight at 168 , no more than I would expect Ward to do that with Kov .

I call him a duck because he claims he initially wanted Ward @ 168 when Ward wasn't ready due to contractual restraints and injuries . Then when Ward cleared all issues , he said no thank u (aka 164 catch weight ) . I was suggesting ggg get acclimated at 168 first before taking on Ward , while he didnt seem to feel the need to . Who am I to convince him otherwise ?

Furthermore , Wards offer was to fight him in 12 to 18 months time frame which would of gave GGG ample time to get at least two fights in at 168 before Ward but GGG/team turned it down in 36 minutes (a world record) . So while I was more than willing to give him time to become acclimated , HE DIDNT WANT ANY PARTS OF WARD WITH OR WITHOUT ACCLIMATION .

But since everything I say is on record , just go check it u fkn TOOL , and anyone else who wants to be your cheerleader for the lies u tell .

[mathed]

MW champ ducking SMW champ turned aspiring LHW champ, you say?


I know right, it doesn't make any sense at all!


Is Ward really a P4P guy or just a glorified bully?