Comments Thread For: Andre Ward: They Pressure Me To Move Up, Not Others

[aboutfkntime]

I never stated it was a blatant duck I was saying he was avoiding him along with the Dirrell brothers and other top contenders in the SMW division. DeGale gets the most attention because he's the only one as far as I can tell making offers. Seriously you sound sound like a butt-hurt Ward fanboy, and nothing I say it's extreme certainly not compared to what the general census is saying. Look it the best doesn't always fight the most deserving, Paul Smith is a great example of that. Ward beat most of SMW contenders during the super 6 tournament. By 2014 DeGale, Groves, the Direll brothers, Bute were the only ones Ward hasn't fought yet. DeGale probably wasn't the most deserving, but he was deserving. If you want to go by what's more relevant, DeGale was willing to fight Ward after he beat Dirrell called him out numerous times, and Ward didn't even respond back. Certainly a fight with DeGale would have done more to bring up his stock than against Alexander Brand. Yeah I would say Ward rejecting DeGale's offers mean something given that DeGale is one of the top 5 SMWs he hasn't fought yet. And let me spell this out for you, who you consider worthy of a title shot is not a factual standard.

And if you think I'm overreaching, check out this topic
// www. boxing forum24.com/showthread.php?t=550382&highlight=Ward+DeGale

Remove the spaces, 264 replies the topic says, "Is Ward going to LHW because of DeGale?

You're putting words in my mouth, I never said DeGale was the most deserving, I said he had the credentials to fight for Ward's title. From 2014-2015 who do you think deserved to fight Ward more than DeGale did? If you say Groves I'll agree but he was fighting Froch. And my opinions will be remembered by historians? What the **** are you talking about? LoL. Ward's legacy is nowhere near over and he still needs a lot to prove, and hopefully he stays true to his word and fights three times in 2016, most likely it will be against much better opponents than Brand. And he will fight DeGale, it will just be at LHW.

Well if Degale wasn't the most deserving how can you possibly insinuate that he was avoided?

That makes no sense at all. You would actually be better off insinuating that Ward avoided Degale's daddy George Groves.

Dude, if Degale can't beat Groves he sure aint gonna beat Ward.

Move on.

[aboutfkntime]

What do I think ?

MW champ ducking SMW champ turned aspiring LHW champ, you say?


I know right, it doesn't make any sense at all!


Is Ward really a P4P guy or just a glorified bully?

I think that Andre Ward is not the only world-class fighter that Gennady Golovkin has avoided..... and I think the fact that " fans " deem it unreasonable for Ward to request 2 tuneup fights after 18 months of activity before jumping to LHW and fighting Kovalev..... is borderline ******ed.

It's clueless and ignorant.

Just saying.....

[Boxingwizard]

Well if Degale wasn't the most deserving how can you possibly insinuate that he was avoided?

That makes no sense at all. You would actually be better off insinuating that Ward avoided Degale's daddy George Groves.

Dude, if Degale can't beat Groves he sure aint gonna beat Ward.

Move on.

Well Groves was fighting Froch at that time, certainly DeGale was the most deserving after he beat Dirrell, and he called out Ward after the fight and so did his manager, that youtube link I provided his manager said that Ward could no longer avoid his fighter. DeGale was available for Ward in 2015 even after Ward fought Paul Smith until Bute stepped in. Ward could have fought one more time at SMW against DeGale, but he didn't want to.

Yeah I agree Ward beats DeGale. The thing is Ward hasn't fought a decent opponent in a while and his stock has fallen; being dropped from the Ring's p4p list and not even being rated as a SMW on Boxrec. Rodriguez was the #1 contender for his WBA strap but not a top 10 SMW and that was two years ago. Certainly DeGale was a viable option, but Ward choose to fight a tomato can in his lhw debut and things fell apart so now he's going to fight sometime in January or February of 2016.

I mean who was the best opponent for Ward in 2014-2015? I'd say DeGale or the Dirrell brothers and he avoided fighting them for whatever reason. Of course one of the reasons why is he moved up lhw. The thing is he couldn't get a fight at lhw this year, he couldn't find a decent lhw opponent. Negotiations would have been easier for a DeGale/Ward fight which DeGale was all for, instead of testing how fare his body would be like at lhw.

[aboutfkntime]

Well Groves was fighting Froch at that time, certainly DeGale was the most deserving after he beat Dirrell, and he called out Ward after the fight and so did his manager, that youtube link I provided his manager said the Ward could no longer avoid his fighter. DeGale was available for Ward in 2015 even after Ward fought Paul Smith until Bute stepped in. Ward could have fought one more time at SMW against DeGale, but he didn't want to.

Yeah I agree Ward beats DeGale. The thing is Ward hasn't fought a decent opponent in a while and his stock has fallen; being dropped from the Ring's p4p list and not even being rated as a SMW on Boxrec. Rodriguez was the #1 contender for his WBA strap but not a top 10 SMW and that was two years ago. Certainly DeGale was a viable option, but Ward choose to fight a tomato can in his lhw debut and things fell apart so now he's going to fight sometime in January or February of 2016.

I mean who was the best opponent for Ward in 2014-2015, I'd say DeGale or the Dirrell brothers and he avoided fighting them for whatever reason. Of course one of the reasons why is he moved up lhw. The thing is he couldn't get a fight at lhw this year, he couldn't find a decent lhw opponent.

Hold on, that is completely different..... that is a different timeline, and definitely not what you were referring to earlier.

Also, it is highly unlikely that Ward would have fought Degale first up, and even more unlikely that Degale would have agreed to 172.

Why on earth would Ward take that fight with no title on the line ?

At that stage Ward was obviously struggling to get back down to 168, hence the Smith fight at 172, and also hence the offer from Golovkin to fight Ward at 164..... the 3-fight HBO deal that includes Kovalev was obviously a better option..... why delay the Kovalev fight and stick around just for Degale when it became obvious that a fight with Golovkin would never happen?

And come on, if Ward had stuck around 168 for Degale EVERYONE would have said that he was avoiding Kovalev.... come on, you gotta admit that.

It is a MASSIVE stretch to infer that Ward avoided Degale, everytime you attempt to make that point this face keeps popping into my mind.....

[Boxingwizard]

Hold on, that is completely different..... that is a different timeline, and definitely not what you were referring to earlier.

If Ward fought fought DeGale it still would have been still in 2015, I thought DeGale was a top 5 SMW even before he fought Dirrell, and I don't know where you get this idea that champions are only ducking fighters if the contender is the most deserving. Obviously Ward was still going through contract disputes and needed a new promoter, but Ambrose Mendy was hoping Ward would fight DeGale after he beat Dirrell.

skip to 1:30
I'll quote what Mendy said
On the 16th of November 2014, James was signed to fight Andre Ward, Ward pulled out, now there is no discounting anybody it's going to be the biggest and the best.
Ward's team has yet to dismiss any of these claims or offer any explanation to why he didn't fight DeGale.

Yeah he signed the 3 fight HBO deal, but Ward is still picky about who he wants to fight. He didn't want to fight Gonzalez or any of the fights that HBO offered. The point is there were good contenders in SMW and LHW that Ward could have fought, but avoided fighting them. I don't know if Ward struggled making weight, Hunter said that Ward still had no problems making SMW after the Paul Smith fight, and he said Ward will move up when his body is ready. No one knew he was moving up to LHW until it was reported by Dan Rafael. So obviously Ward hasn't been straight and open to the public about what his intentions are, and his whining is not really helping, despite that I'm still a fan.

[aboutfkntime]

If Ward fought fought DeGale it still would have been still in 2015, I thought DeGale was a top 5 SMW even before he fought Dirrell, and I don't know where you get this idea that champions are only ducking fighters if the contender is the most deserving. Obviously Ward was still going through contract disputes and needed a new promoter, but Ambrose Mendy was hoping Ward would fight DeGale after he beat Dirrell.

skip to 1:30
I'll quote what Mendy said
On the 16th of November 2014, James was signed to fight Andre Ward, Ward pulled out, now there is no discounting anybody it's going to be the biggest and the best.
Ward's team has yet to dismiss any of these claims or offer any explanation to why he didn't fight DeGale.

Yeah he signed the 3 fight HBO deal, but Ward is still picky about who he wants to fight. He didn't want to fight Gonzalez or any of the fights that HBO offered. The point is there were good contenders in SMW and LHW that Ward could have fought, but avoided fighting them. I don't know if Ward struggled making weight, Hunter said that Ward still had no problems making SMW after the Paul Smith fight, and he said Ward will move up when his body is ready. No one knew he was moving up to LHW until it was reported by Dan Rafael. So obviously Ward hasn't been straight and open to the public about what his intentions are, and his whining is not really helping, despite that I'm still a fan.

Degale coulda been a good fight, and would have been an option if Ward were to stay at 68..... but with Kovalev on the horizon who fkn cares about Degale.

IF Degale were to beat Jack and avenge Groves, then THAT is the level of standing that would warrant the kind of context that you are stating.

Right now, Degale STILL has Groves problems and Ward is lining up Kovalev.

I couldn't care less what happens in the meantime.

You ABSOLUTELY KNOW that Ward would be accused of ducking Kovalev had he stayed at 168 with NO prospect of a Golovkin fight..... you ABSOLUTELY know it.

I think you are being a little dishonest by badly over-stating the Degale situation.

Oh, gotta re-post this pic.....

[aboutfkntime]

Yeah I agree Ward beats DeGale.

We have discussed this for much too long my friend

[ukbox]

If my nuts are numb , then yours must both be undescended . Grow a pair will ya , and stop protecting this guy from the Big Bad Ward .

Away & cry racism numpty
Wards done nothing since signing with jay-z. I could of said since he won super 6 but that gives u an out. He should have been at 175 a long time ago, who's he waiting on fighting? GGG haha gtfoh.
GGG has 2-3 fights at 160, 2 belts then he's there. 160 has history, 168 is a new division.
SugarRaRobinson haha u more like Yusef Mack

[ukbox]

mutha****a drops a kindergarten ass post trying to **** on posters....listen to that **** you just posted!!...who raised you?

Pick it apart Yusef, u missed out a fair bit like 160 having history & how gg dont hold to protect himself, & about Froch being easily confused with movement & being outboxed, he's known for tear ups & thats fighters playing into his hands & strengths
Now away & suck a **** for a cheeseburger

[ukbox]

I'm still laughing at the post count of some of the fools on here, majority of said posts acting like they know something..reality being post count shows they don't do much but sit on a PC all day