Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[original zero]

Spoon -

USADA did not inform NSAC at that time because Floyd didn't do anything that violated NSAC rules. NSAC rules allowed IV rehydration. USADA did not see any reason to alert NSAC about something NSAC allows anyway.

I never said USADA was bound by NSAC rules. I said Floyd & Manny were bound by NSAC rules and had to submit to NSAC's drug testing. In addition to NSAC's required drug testing and rules, Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed to additional regulations and hired USADA to handle their voluntary agreement.

Manny & Floyd voluntarily agreed that USADA would investigate IV use and issue a ruling on whether it was for legitimate reasons. Had nothing to do with NSAC because IV was already allowed by NSAC anyway. Floyd submitted the paperwork required by his voluntary agreement with Manny and USADA approved it. End of story.

You are incorrect about needing NSAC permission for IV. Your entire position is built upon a false premise. NSAC did not require preconditions for IV. You're 100% wrong. My comprehension is great. The problem is that you are 100% wrong about the facts.

Your interpretation of Bennett's statement is incorrect. If you're not a lawyer or a professional, it's understandable why some of this might be confusing. But that doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

There was no precondition necessary for IV use in Nevada. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

If you break down Bennett's statement, it's nothing more than empty rhetoric to deflect bad PR. It was puffing and bluster, nothing more.

Yes, only NSAC can issue *NSAC* TUE. Floyd didn't need an NSAC TUE though because IV didn't require TUE in NSAC. However, he needed a USADA TUE to satisfy his voluntary contractual arrangement with Pacquiao.

[ADP02]

Spoon -

USADA did not inform NSAC at that time because Floyd didn't do anything that violated NSAC rules. NSAC rules allowed IV rehydration. USADA did not see any reason to alert NSAC about something NSAC allows anyway.

Sorry but I do not buy that.

USADA approved Manny's pain killer but then NSAC said no to something that is not prohibited. Does that ring a bell? Similar to Floyd's situation. Right?
NSAC then said, "we do not want the Nevada fighter Floyd to be at a disadvantage".


So at the very least, when USADA saw all that going on, they should have stepped up and say that Floyd got something and Manny didn't. So it was Manny that was put in a disadvantage not Floyd ..... but in Nevada, we know that that is OK. As long as its not Floyd that is at a disadvantage.

[Rath]

floyd and pac were bound by nevada's rules and nevada's testing.

in addition, they voluntarily agreed to specific additional regulations and hired USADA to handle those additional regulations.

everything floyd did was by the book and by the rules.

there is no controversy. you've invented this in your head.

no they're not, NSAC has nothing to do with the testing.

NSAC and USADA is independent of each others rule.

if NSAC and USADA did separate testing for Floyd and Pac then NSAC rules for testing applies but since it was just USADA who did the testing USADA WADA code would be applied.

USADA rules for drug testing

NSAC rules for implementation of penalties and punishments

USADA was the sole responsible for testing not an additional testing agency.

TUE was given under the USADA rules you say, because NSAC has nothing to do with it

but then use "NSAC say Floyd did nothing wrong" why does NSAC suddenly has a say about it when they are not involved in the testing?

[original zero]

ADP02 -

It doesn't really matter what you're buying since everything I'm saying is easily verifiable indisputable fact.

Manny & Floyd had to abide by two sets of rules. The mandatory NSAC rules and the voluntary additional rules Manny & Floyd agreed to in their contract and hired USADA to enforce.

Floyd's IV was 100% within the NSAC rules with no additional permission or preconditions needed. According to the voluntary additional rules, an exemption had to be submitted to USADA, which USADA granted. So Floyd was in the clear on both fronts.

Manny's injection was NOT within the NSAC rules unless permission was granted in advance, in writing.

Manny having USADA's blessing was irrelevant. He needed to be clear on both fronts and he wasn't.

What Floyd got was SALT WATER.

What Manny wanted was PAINKILLERS.

Very different.

[original zero]

Rath -

Hiring USADA for voluntary testing does not excuse you from the requirements of NSAC. NSAC still does their required drug testing regardless.

And since salt water and vitamin C are allowed by NSAC, none of this matters anyway.

Floyd needed a USADA TUE to satisfy his voluntary contractual arrangement with Pacquiao.

Had nothing to do with NSAC as the method was already allowed by NSAC.

You've invented a controversy in your head that does not exist.

USADA & NSAC have both publicly stated that everything Floyd did was 100% legal and 100% within the rules.

Your tin foil hat doesn't change that.

[Spoon23]

Original Zero-

Premise-

Reached for comment about the SB Nation piece, Bennett told the Review-Journal on Wednesday that he doesn't have a problem with Mayweather, but he does have a problem with the USADA.

"As far as USADA, I was extremely disappointed that I wasn't notified right away (about Mayweather receiving an IV). When it comes to TUE, we are the sole agency that approves the administering of TUEs. USADA, nor any other anti-doping agency that does drug testing, doesn't have the authority to adminster a TUE.

"The bottom line is USADA didn't keep us informed, which is totally unacceptable and unprofessional."

Question:

Answer it with a yes or no

1. Knowing that USADA should inform Nsac of what they are doing at all times. Floyd entered the ring without usada informing nsac floyd took IVS. Did USADA violate Nsac protocol by not telling nsac Floyd needed IVS before the fight since it was only nsac who can only allow IVS in Vegas?

2. Knowing USADA is under Wada Rules and Wada doesn't allow IVS. Did USADA violate wada rules when they allowed IVS to be administered to Floyd?

[Rath]

Rath -

Hiring USADA for voluntary testing does not excuse you from the requirements of NSAC. NSAC still does their required drug testing regardless.

And since salt water and vitamin C are allowed by NSAC, none of this matters anyway.

Floyd needed a USADA TUE to satisfy his voluntary contractual arrangement with Pacquiao.

Had nothing to do with NSAC as the method was already allowed by NSAC.

You've invented a controversy in your head that does not exist.

USADA & NSAC have both publicly stated that everything Floyd did was 100% legal and 100% within the rules.

Your tin foil hat doesn't change that.

in addition, they voluntarily agreed to specific additional regulations and hired USADA to handle those additional regulations.

is this not what you said additional regulations?

USADA was not an additional regulations but the sole drug testing agency.

the NSAC rules for drug testng that's going to be applied was the punishments and penlaties for failed drug test not the whole testing rules of drub testing.

you know that USADA can not implement punishments and penalties for failed test right?

that isw wherre NSAC rules for drug testing comes in.

you are so wrong.

i've noticed you using the word "voluntary? quite often lately what's the deal.

Pac did not agree voluntarily for USADA testing it was "required" "demanded" by floyd for fight to happen.

voluntary my behind.

[Spoon23]

-Original zero

Something is amiss here, 50ml is like 1.67 total ounces. A bag of I.V. at a hospital is 1000ml total.calling this treatment for dehydration is just ******, a bottle of pedialyte would've done him more good over a 24 hour period of time than a one time 50ml drip. I guess until they release more details all we can do is guess the purpose of it because right now it makes little to no sense at all.

Here is why the IV was against the rules of the NSAC:

1. USADA granted Mayweather a TUE when they had no capacity to do that. Only the NSAC can do it and they acknowledged this with a statement in the article.

2. Mayweather took an IV at home and not in a medical facility, and the total contents was 750 ml. The only allowable IV use is 50 ml in a 6 hour period, and has to be done in a medical facility.

Even if he followed the allowable limit, 50 ml every 6 hours in a 24 hour period equals 200 ml. Mayweather took 750 ml in one sitting. That is a system flush.

floyd illegally received 15 times the legal limit of IV fluid, floyd only cut 3 pounds so no it was not for dehydration but for masking PED use

floyd tried to hide this illegal IV use by not informing usada and by doing it at his own home, usada happened to catch him while he was doing it

and floyd is clean? how? in what universe?

Tell me Original zero. Why was Floyd dehydrated? What proof do you have that he was dehydrated that a bottle of pedialyte won't suffice compared to 1000 ml of IVS? knowing pedialyte is even better than 1000 ml of IVS.

What is the proof that Floyd can't drink from a bottle and needed IVS instead?

[original zero]

Spoon -

I can't answer your questions with a yes or no because your questions are predicated on a false premise. IV was 100% legal in Nevada, for any reason, in any amount, with no permission needed.

So I don't agree that USADA should inform NSAC of Floyd doing something NSAC allows. Should they also inform NSAC when Floyd eats a sandwich?

WADA allows retroactive TUE for IV. You have no idea what you're talking about and like Rath, have concocted a controversy in your head that doesn't exist.



Rath -

USADA was not the sole drug testing agency. Voluntary USADA testing doesn't allow you to skip NSAC's required testing.

The USADA requirements were voluntarily agreed to by Floyd & Manny in their contact.

I am not wrong. You are just upset that Manny got dominated. I couldn't care less about any of this. If you don't like the rules, write the commission a letter.



Spoon -

IV was legal under NSAC rules in any amount, for any reason, at any time, with no permission required. It was not a banned method in Nevada. Floyd could have taken 10000000000ml if he wanted.

However, since Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed to additional restrictions, Floyd needed USADA to approve his use as being for a legitimate purpose.

And they did.

End of story.

[Spoon23]

Spoon -

I can't answer your questions with a yes or no because your questions are predicated on a false premise. IV was 100% legal in Nevada, for any reason, in any amount, with no permission needed.

So I don't agree that USADA should inform NSAC of Floyd doing something NSAC allows. Should they also inform NSAC when Floyd eats a sandwich?

WADA allows retroactive TUE for IV. You have no idea what you're talking about and like Rath, have concocted a controversy in your head that doesn't exist.



Rath -

USADA was not the sole drug testing agency. Voluntary USADA testing doesn't allow you to skip NSAC's required testing.

The USADA requirements were voluntarily agreed to by Floyd & Manny in their contact.

I am not wrong. You are just upset that Manny got dominated. I couldn't care less about any of this. If you don't like the rules, write the commission a letter.



Spoon -

IV was legal under NSAC rules in any amount, for any reason, at any time, with no permission required. It was not a banned method in Nevada. Floyd could have taken 10000000000ml if he wanted.

However, since Floyd & Manny voluntarily agreed to additional restrictions, Floyd needed USADA to approve his use as being for a legitimate purpose.

And they did.

End of story.

You can't answer it coz it won't answer your flawed reasoning. Checkmate.

Here's a clearer question.

Let's say 2 athletes want to do IVS for a fight in Vegas. Do these 2 boxers have to ask permission to nsac before taking IVS. Or they don't have to?

Yes or No? If no why?