Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[ADP02]

Him not having to lose so much weight does not disprove he was dehydrated.

Again, you are pointing to weights very distant from each other. None of which prove or disprove he was dehydrated. And that's your problem. You lack any concrete evidence proving he was NOT dehydrated.

First of all, its consistent with all his other times that he weighed in. Heck, even Floyd and his fans says that he walks around at or around that weight. BUT as shown here and due to the fact that he trains like a gym rat, makes that all credible.

What you need to do is add it all together. Its like a puzzle. Only one can't incriminate you but if you put it all together, it fits. You can do most of that puzzle with that interview but there are pieces missing that can be added and that I provided.

- You said that we do not know how much he weighed before weigh in. BUT we repeat to you AGAIN and AGAIN, Ellerbe and Floyd said that Floyd makes weight EASILY!!! There is also unofficial and official weights prior to the weigh in. Even unofficial news of yes the day before the weigh in. So no, he didn't have to lose 10-20lbs ....... keep trying to pull that line like it has anything to do with Floyd. ...... but again, go check out their interview. "Floyd makes weight EASILY"

You make me laugh. FLoyd and Manny fight happened in 2015 for a reason. Unlike other fighters, they volunteered into a program that they can't take an IV nor take 750ml of a substance intravenously, and that if IVs was a must, it had to be done in a hospital, clinic .... IV only for emergency purposes ...... and USADA pointed to reasons for all this. To minimize the chances that athletes would cheat by masking and other means.

Simply, you are bringing up points that go against everything that was supposed to be opposed by Floyd and his fans. FLoyd opts out and his fans are now feverishly trying to protect him at all costs and saying things that DO NOT MAKE SENSE!!!!



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[DeadLikeMe]

Almost half a year later and their hearts are still broken over Manny's failure.

[ADP02]

There's no reason for me to "deflect" anything when the accusations themselves are an attempt to deflect away from the embarrassingly one-sided clinic Manny was on the receiving end of. I've never heard of a PED that made someone else's head more available to be used as a speed bag?

Where some Mayweather fans get it wrong is that by trying to defend against every allegation they inadvertently give them credibility.

Just look above your post. I didn't read it yet but appears to be more deflection. See now?


Sorry but I do not agree with everything you said. Floyd tried to get an advantage. Not only tried, he got it!!!!

As for your other comment, while that is not what I saw, Barry Bonds generated more bat speed and yes power with PEDs. Ben Johnson, generated more speed with PEDs. Speed can be maintained or gained with PEDs ..... but that is not the only reason to use PEDs. Endurance, power and recouping after intense workouts.

[The Big Dunn]

Just look above your post. I didn't read it yet but appears to be more deflection. See now?


Sorry but I do not agree with everything you said. Floyd tried to get an advantage. Not only tried, he got it!!!!

As for your other comment, while that is not what I saw, Barry Bonds generated more bat speed and yes power with PEDs. Ben Johnson, generated more speed with PEDs. Speed can be maintained or gained with PEDs ..... but that is not the only reason to use PEDs. Endurance, power and recouping after intense workouts.

if you didn't read it, how can you agree or disagree?

[Jake_Lamotta]

Almost half a year later and their hearts are still broken over Manny's failure.

You still on TMT welfare program brah?

[Lester Tutor]

Although you and I don't agree all the time, I agree with you on this.
It is ok to be a player, but don't buy a team. Floyd got free of master Arum, then started getting paid. Sour g****s Bob, etc... Etc..

Squared circle/ring, but they both did what they did. I only saw what I saw, what roach witnessed, all those analysts witnessed, from both HBO/Showtime,
Manny lost. He lost. I am glad the guys I bet with pay when it is official, & they are glad I pay when it is official and lose.

I leave IV usage & cheating allegations to sanctioning bodies, NSAC being the top of the power structure.

I would never not pay, because I lost, the fight was "fixed" in my opinion, whatever. Floyd won 8 rds to 4 of a very tactical fight.

Manny couldn't make any adjustments. Maidana did better, by far. Doesn't mean maidana better than PAC, but he matched up better. Kenny Bayless was a kill joy in the rematch. Tony Weeks let fighters fight, I loved it in first fight.

In the video someone asked Roach what he thought about the ''IV scandal'' and Roach is clearly saying that he is not following it nor does he see that the IV could have benefited Floyd. He's rambling trying not to want to talk about it...I then added the video about De La Hoya fight near the end.

Again, as always, inconsistencies. I think the biggest goons from the whole mess are particularly HBO and Hauser. Top Rank doesn't seem to mind it, but they were among the most quietest about it. There was more HBO affiliated drama regarding the scandal as well as those related to the BWAA...

[DeadLikeMe]

You still on TMT welfare program brah?

...he typed, wearing his Sunday best 2014 Denver Broncos Super Bowl Champions t-shirt...

[Lester Tutor]

Barry Bonds generated more bat speed and yes power with PEDs. Ben Johnson, generated more speed with PEDs. Speed can be maintained or gained with PEDs ..... but that is not the only reason to use PEDs. Endurance, power and recouping after intense workouts.

[Slip Stream]

Just look above your post. I didn't read it yet but appears to be more deflection. See now?


Sorry but I do not agree with everything you said. Floyd tried to get an advantage. Not only tried, he got it!!!!

As for your other comment, while that is not what I saw, Barry Bonds generated more bat speed and yes power with PEDs. Ben Johnson, generated more speed with PEDs. Speed can be maintained or gained with PEDs ..... but that is not the only reason to use PEDs. Endurance, power and recouping after intense workouts.

Do PEDs increase skills? No, I think not because that's what won the fight, skills. Was speed and power involved sure but what fight fans witnessed was more akin to a matador out dancing a mindless bull. Manny couldn't fight the fight he wanted to because Mayweather didn't oblige him by standing still like many of the opponents Pacquiao has been spoon fed over the years.

To use an analogy, it would be comforting indeed to believe there's a kindly old grandfather sitting in the clouds looking out for us, and similarly it would be nice to be able to explain away Manny's embarrassment and call his "performance" a hurt shoulder or unsportsmanlike conduct on behalf of Floyd, ahhhhhh just like eatin' Ben and Jerry's. But make no mistake that's all it is, comfort.

What I've been reading and hearing since Manny was dissected on PPV like a frog in science class is a steady stream of rationalizations and excuses. Pac lost, get over it....

[GTTofAK]

For which sport were you tested if you don't mind me asking?

College football. You have to sign a HIPAA release as part of your testing. If you didn't the testing would be moot because the testers would not legally be allowed to share the results with those who want the testing. The law only allows such releases of information without a HIPAA release to employers and even then limited, the NSAC does not fall under this exemption.