True or False: James Toney's win over Michael Nunn is better than any win of Floyd's?

[!! Shawn]

How the **** do u cherry pick a p4p fighter and top 2 ww? Dude stfu. Because if floyd didn't fight manny u would be tithing about that. Time to give it a rest. U already went full ******.

You wait for them to get KOed, let them fight a couple bums and make sure they have nothing left, then you fight them.

Sound familiar?

[Ahmed_Ismail]

I dont think any legitimate p4p list would have Pacquiao higher than Nunn at the time of the fight.

Fighters who were p4p better than Pacquaio when they fought.

Ward.
Rigondeaux.
Lomchenko.
GGG.
Lara.
etc...

Even you could say Marquez and Bradley.

Pacquiao was wellllll past it, and hadn't beaten anyone of consequence since being KOed by Marquez, and before that, I actually still believe Bradley won the 1st fight in the 2nd half.

So he had showed clear signs of deterioration years before the fight. Where as Floyd had not.

I have to disagree with a lot of points here, first off how could anybody rank Bradley higher than Pacquiao, when Pacquiao beat Bradley 9-3 while Bradley was number number 3 P4P fighter in the world? Marquez and Ward were too inactive to be considered in the P4P list.

Lara lost to Canelo just last year and GGG never fought a P4P fighter or even a former P4P fighter in his entire pro career, hell he only fought 1 FORMER champion in his whole career and that was Daniel Geale who was well past it and didn't come to win. Lomachenko has 1 impressive win against Gary Russel but but other than that he has no credentials, u can make an argument for Rigo cuz he's been a champ longer and he actually holds 2 belts now, but other than Rigo Pacquiao was #2 #3 fighter in the world without a doubt.

U also said Mayweather didn't show any signs of slowing down prior to the Pacquiao fight, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM? didn't u see the Cotto fight or the Maidana fights? Floyd was CLEARLY past his prime as well.

U believe Bradley won the first fight? I'm not gonna even discuss that. Unbelievable. So Pacquiao was washed up by the time he fought Bradley in 2012, so Pacquiao's prime was till 2011? after that he was washed up? What about when he lost to Marquez in the 3rd fight in 2011? or when he arguable lost to Marquez in the 2nd fight in 2008 or when he lost to Morales in 2005 or when he almost lost to Marquez in 2004?

[Pac=Duran]

The middleweight Ali? for what exactly? what did he accomplish before he fought Toney that made him the middleweight Ali? for beating Barkley who was coming off an embarrasing loss to a lightweight in Duran? 25-5? with a KO loss to an absolute nobody? or Donald Curry who never fought at 160 before before he fought Nunn?
Not saying that Corrales was miles ahead, not at all, actually it's pretty close, but Corrales is definitley not a bum compared to anybody and more def. compared to Nunn, just like Nunn was the number 1 guy in his division, Corrales was also the number 1 guy in his division with a very high KO ratio, beat all the top guys at his weight and was ranked #5 P4P at the time, of course by the eye test Nunn has better skills, but skills aren't **** when u don't use them right, main thing is being effective and using ur skills to win, winning and accomplishments are what count, not potential.

You're a bum in terms of boxing knowledge. You obviously haven't watched any Nunn fights except for a the last round of the Toney fight. Nunn is up there with the greats. I said he was considered at the time to be the middleweight Ali, and if he didn't get KO'd by Toney he would have likely fought and whooped Ray Leonard> and become a certified ATG, with an impeccable record.

[!! Shawn]

For the record McCallum and Jirov might actually be Toney's best wins. Floyd for what it's worth would never lose to some of the types of guys Toney lost to, aND that is what sets them apart. But you can argue that Toney's best 2 wins ***** Floyd's.

Jirov was a great win. McCallum was too far towards the end of his career to be considered a win of the level of Nunn.

[Pac=Duran]

Jirov was a great win. McCallum was too far towards the end of his career to be considered a win of the level of Nunn.

Toney never beat Jirov no way. Jirov survived and got to the cards, which were mind blowingly wide for the fight that was seen. I don't care that much that Toney got the robbery because I love him and because he beat Jirov half to death in the final round and the fight should have been stopped, but on the cards Jirov defs should have come out on top.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

You're a bum in terms of boxing knowledge. You obviously haven't watched any Nunn fights except for a the last round of the Toney fight. Nunn is up there with the greats. I said he was considered at the time to be the middleweight Ali, and if he didn't get KO'd by Toney he would have likely fought and whooped Ray Leonard> and become a certified ATG, with an impeccable record.

So u judge fighters by potential? not by actual accomplishments? and u call me a bum? How is that supposed to make sense, u r giving Nunn credit for things he never did, he displayed his skills against subpar competition but when he faced other ATG fighters he lost, all the would'ves should've and could'ves don't matter, what he accomplished in the ring is what matters, Joan Guzman was a very skillful fighter with a lot of potential, did he have ATG accomplishments? NO, which doesn't make him an ATG. Nunn had a better career than Guzman, but also him didn't reach that ATG level, when he stepped to the big time he lost, live with it.

[!! Shawn]

I have to disagree with a lot of points here, first off how could anybody rank Bradley higher than Pacquiao, when Pacquiao beat Bradley 9-3 while Bradley was number number 3 P4P fighter in the world? Marquez and Ward were too inactive to be considered in the P4P list.

Lara lost to Canelo just last year and GGG never fought a P4P fighter or even a former P4P fighter in his entire pro career, hell he only fought 1 FORMER champion in his whole career and that was Daniel Geale who was well past it and didn't come to win. Lomachenko has 1 impressive win against Gary Russel but but other than that he has no credentials, u can make an argument for Rigo cuz he's been a champ longer and he actually holds 2 belts now, but other than Rigo Pacquiao was #2 #3 fighter in the world without a doubt.

U also said Mayweather didn't show any signs of slowing down prior to the Pacquiao fight, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM? didn't u see the Cotto fight or the Maidana fights? Floyd was CLEARLY past his prime as well.

U believe Bradley won the first fight? I'm not gonna even discuss that. Unbelievable. So Pacquiao was washed up by the time he fought Bradley in 2012, so Pacquiao's prime was till 2011? after that he was washed up? What about when he lost to Marquez in the 3rd fight in 2011? or when he arguable lost to Marquez in the 2nd fight in 2008 or when he lost to Morales in 2005 or when he almost lost to Marquez in 2004?

#1 Anyone with any boxing knowledge, and everyone I know in the boxing industry are 100% certain that Lara won the Canelo fight.

You have to be a nationalistic hater, to not see that Lara completely negated everything Canelo tried to do, and landed crisp counters in return. Yes he fought negative. He still controlled the pace, and landed the more meaningful blows.

Bradley has has had better wins than Pacquaio since they fought, in what my estimation was a 1-1 series, which was followed by Pacquiao getting KOed, then fighitng Rios and Algeri to make him #2 p4p? Give me a break.

Losing 2 of your last 5 fights in no way qualifies you as the #2 p4p fighter in the world.

Name me another fighter who has lost 2 of their last 5 you would consider #2 p4p...

And I would rank Bradley higher because he has a win over Manny, and a win over Marquez.

vs a loss to marquez x4 in my view, a loss and win vs bradley, and algeri and rios?

At the time, Bradley should have been ranked higher.

Rigondeaux, was very clearly p4p better than Manny. So is Lomchenko, although Ill admit, thats a little premature, but Ward, and Lara, are not really disputable. So at the very best Pacquiao is #4 although he should be in teh 7-8 range or lower at the time of the fight.

[!! Shawn]

So u judge fighters by potential? not by actual accomplishments? and u call me a bum? How is that supposed to make sense, u r giving Nunn credit for things he never did, he displayed his skills against subpar competition but when he faced other ATG fighters he lost, all the would'ves should've and could'ves don't matter, what he accomplished in the ring is what matters, Joan Guzman was a very skillful fighter with a lot of potential, did he have ATG accomplishments? NO, which doesn't make him an ATG. Nunn had a better career than Guzman, but also him didn't reach that ATG level, when he stepped to the big time he lost, live with it.

Dude, you know nothing about boxing. Things he never did? Do you know what a run Tate, Starling, Curry is?

All 3 of those are probably better than the top 3 wins of Floyds Career.

[!! Shawn]

Toney never beat Jirov no way. Jirov survived and got to the cards, which were mind blowingly wide for the fight that was seen. I don't care that much that Toney got the robbery because I love him and because he beat Jirov half to death in the final round and the fight should have been stopped, but on the cards Jirov defs should have come out on top.

No way. Jirov took a beating the whole fight. Toney was slick and countering and not taking damage all night. Jirov had his will driving him forward, but Toney was landing the effective shots, and breaking Jirov down, not the other way around.

[!! Shawn]

I have to disagree with a lot of points here, first off how could anybody rank Bradley higher than Pacquiao, when Pacquiao beat Bradley 9-3 while Bradley was number number 3 P4P fighter in the world? Marquez and Ward were too inactive to be considered in the P4P list.

Lara lost to Canelo just last year and GGG never fought a P4P fighter or even a former P4P fighter in his entire pro career, hell he only fought 1 FORMER champion in his whole career and that was Daniel Geale who was well past it and didn't come to win. Lomachenko has 1 impressive win against Gary Russel but but other than that he has no credentials, u can make an argument for Rigo cuz he's been a champ longer and he actually holds 2 belts now, but other than Rigo Pacquiao was #2 #3 fighter in the world without a doubt.

U also said Mayweather didn't show any signs of slowing down prior to the Pacquiao fight, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM? didn't u see the Cotto fight or the Maidana fights? Floyd was CLEARLY past his prime as well.

U believe Bradley won the first fight? I'm not gonna even discuss that. Unbelievable. So Pacquiao was washed up by the time he fought Bradley in 2012, so Pacquiao's prime was till 2011? after that he was washed up? What about when he lost to Marquez in the 3rd fight in 2011? or when he arguable lost to Marquez in the 2nd fight in 2008 or when he lost to Morales in 2005 or when he almost lost to Marquez in 2004?

I always encourage people to watch fights objectively. Pacquaio clearly dominated the first half of the fight. But when Bradley decided to box, and get on his bike, Pacquiao had ZERO answers for it. Bradley outboxed him comfortably in the 2nd half of the fight. Add in that many of the punches you think Pacquiao landed, he didnt. A lot of people dont see this, but as someone with years in the ring, you can tell when a fighter is being slick and making punches miss by 1cm, and when he is being tagged. Bradley was being slick most the fight, but not winning rounds until he got hurt and started to box.