True or False: James Toney's win over Michael Nunn is better than any win of Floyd's?

[!! Shawn]

No. Nobody compares. Nunn was on top of the world, a dominate force in his division when Toney stopped him. Floyd has never faced anyone that was that skilled, and that dominate at the time they fought.

He was also undefeated, I believe, thought might be mistaken was ranked #3 p4p only behind Pernell Whitaker and JCC Sr.

Its a ridiculously good win.

[BrometheusBob.]

An article from 2001 stating that Mayweather opened at -170 at The Mirage, and at -130 at the Suncoast. At the former the odds would go down to -135/-145 Mayweather and at the latter the line closed at -145 Mayweather.


Posts from 2001 that have Mayweather the favorite (about -130/+110), and 1 post has it even at -120 for both.


A collection of predictions for Mayweather/Corrales by pundits. At the bottom it says "Totals: Mayweather 18; Corrales: 15". Many people believed Floyd to be the more talented boxer and were picking him to win, including Farhood, but apparently not including Kellerman who picked Corrales by decision.

Heck, even just from the actual fight:

12:50-13:03
Merchant says odds are 6/5 against Corrales, Lampley points out that the late betting is pushing the odds closer.

All of this more or less suggest a pick 'em, with Mayweather a slight favorite if not even, but I don't see any evidence that Mayweather was perceived as the underdog, not even a slight underdog nor even just initially an underdog.

One word, Corrales!

As I've already mentioned, Corrales was not a favorite. At best that was a pickem fight.

[!! Shawn]

It's comparable to Mayweather beating up the then undefeated Corrales, both Nunn and Corrales cleaned out their divisions and KOed the biggest names there, and they both had significant size advantages over Toney and Mayweather, Margarito already had 5 losses after his fight with Cotto including losses to Paul Williams and a stoppage loss to Daniel freaking Santos, and this was the only weight division he fought at.

Don't forget that right after the Cotto fight Margarito fought Mosley who was an underdog and got KTFO and punished, and then Mayweather fought Mosley coming off this huge win and beat him 11-1.

Its not really. Coralles was always just regarded as a puncher. He was the guy ****ing everyone out. Nunn was a ridiculously skilled technician. Its actually fairly insulting to the sport to compare Coralles to Nunn, as much legacy as Chico left behind, it wasn't one of skill and achievement. It was one of blood and guts warrior with a punch.

[!! Shawn]

He has a point though. Pacquiao may not have been at his peak (neither was Floyd) but he was regarded and ranked far more highly than Michael Nunn. So Pacquiao was the better win.

I dont think any legitimate p4p list would have Pacquiao higher than Nunn at the time of the fight.

Fighters who were p4p better than Pacquaio when they fought.

Ward.
Rigondeaux.
Lomchenko.
GGG.
Lara.
etc...

Even you could say Marquez and Bradley.

Pacquiao was wellllll past it, and hadn't beaten anyone of consequence since being KOed by Marquez, and before that, I actually still believe Bradley won the 1st fight in the 2nd half.

So he had showed clear signs of deterioration years before the fight. Where as Floyd had not.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Corralles was a bum compared to Nunn. Corralles was the big bully that drained himself to fight smaller guys, not that skilled at all. Michael Nunn was described as the middleweight Muhammed Ali. He was special. Coralles was not special at all. No where near an ATG.

The middleweight Ali? for what exactly? what did he accomplish before he fought Toney that made him the middleweight Ali? for beating Barkley who was coming off an embarrasing loss to a lightweight in Duran? 25-5? with a KO loss to an absolute nobody? or Donald Curry who never fought at 160 before before he fought Nunn?
Not saying that Corrales was miles ahead, not at all, actually it's pretty close, but Corrales is definitley not a bum compared to anybody and more def. compared to Nunn, just like Nunn was the number 1 guy in his division, Corrales was also the number 1 guy in his division with a very high KO ratio, beat all the top guys at his weight and was ranked #5 P4P at the time, of course by the eye test Nunn has better skills, but skills aren't **** when u don't use them right, main thing is being effective and using ur skills to win, winning and accomplishments are what count, not potential.

[!! Shawn]

Doesn't matter if he was at his peak or not, he was still regarded as the second best boxer on the planet. Was Nunn? Simple question.

By who? People who want to give mayweather credit for waiting out Pacquaios prime?

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Very true. Every great fighter has one last great fight in them before it's all over. I still think the Canelo fight was Floyd's last great performance and I knew Floyd was past it by the time the first Maidana fight happened. The Pacquiao fight, although a clear victory, was not a good performance from Floyd. The backlash he's receiving is due to the fact that most people wanted Manny to win as well as Floyd not looking impressive. Even Floyd Sr. said he was no impressed with Floyd Jr.s performance.

The Canelo fight was the last we'll ever see of the old school Floyd.

Nobody beat Pacquiao this comprehensively in recent years, sure he got caught and KOed by Marquez, but he didn't lose a decision like he lost to Floyd before and I don't think he ever will, Mayweather might've not looked very impressive, but he got the job done against the 2nd best fighter in the world, tell me who completely walked through the number 2 best fighter in the world before.

[!! Shawn]

Nunn's evasiveness Holy Shlt!

Its really a shame. If not for Toney, people would probably know Nunn as one of the ATG's. His skill level is off the charts. He was so slick, quick, and smart.

Like a middleweight Pernell Whitaker, so relaxed, yet quick and fluid... and those feet.

He just got caught by James Toney, who is one of the best ever, and another criminally under rated fighter.

Its a win that is like Jones > Toney. It doesn't make sense. It shouldn't have happened. I still cant figure out how Toney lost to Jones, or Nunn lost to Toney.

Nunn was a freaking god.

[!! Shawn]

The middleweight Ali? for what exactly? what did he accomplish before he fought Toney that made him the middleweight Ali? for beating Barkley who was coming off an embarrasing loss to a lightweight in Duran? 25-5? with a KO loss to an absolute nobody? or Donald Curry who never fought at 160 before before he fought Nunn?
Not saying that Corrales was miles ahead, not at all, actually it's pretty close, but Corrales is definitley not a bum compared to anybody and more def. compared to Nunn, just like Nunn was the number 1 guy in his division, Corrales was also the number 1 guy in his division with a very high KO ratio, beat all the top guys at his weight and was ranked #5 P4P at the time, of course by the eye test Nunn has better skills, but skills aren't **** when u don't use them right, main thing is being effective and using ur skills to win, winning and accomplishments are what count, not potential.

Just watch him, and you will understand. Your eyes dont lie. Man was slick, could drop his hands and you couldn't even touch him.

[Pac=Duran]

No. Nobody compares. Nunn was on top of the world, a dominate force in his division when Toney stopped him. Floyd has never faced anyone that was that skilled, and that dominate at the time they fought.

He was also undefeated, I believe, thought might be mistaken was ranked #3 p4p only behind Pernell Whitaker and JCC Sr.

Its a ridiculously good win.

That Era was madness in terms of talent. JCC, Sweet Pea, Toney, Nunn, Tyson, Roy Jones, Gerald McClellan, Julian Jackson, Donald Curry, Rid**** Bowe, Holyfield, Finito Lopez etc etc all vying for position in their divisions and on the P4P list. What an incredible era. So pissed off I was not watching boxing at the time and have ended up becoming a boxing fan during such a weak era of sissies and prima donnas.

Thank God for Pac, Cotto, KOvalev, Shawn Porter and Provodnikov. Without them boxing would have pretty much no excitement.