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    Originally posted by -Johannes- View Post
    This isn't even the point. I said SAME guy. Isaac Clarke said JMM only





    See? you keep missing the point. Who's Floyd supposed to have 4 close fights with? On his close fights he won convincingly enough not to have a third. If he had had another close fight with Castillo, would that have made his career better? I don't get it
    you're missing the point pac had more fights with atg/hof.

    whether they were rematches or not doesn't matter.

    MORE fights vs. hofers.

    forget ****** jmm. you guys are getting all confused with pac-jmm/floyd-jmm. which are totally incomparable.

    pick any hof/atg.

    say kostya tszyu.

    what if floyd had a trilogy with kostya? say won 2 lost 1. foty level fights.

    does that hurt floyd? no.

    that's kostya tszyu.

    better than dominating gatti, sharmba, brusseles.

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      Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
      maybe 3rd. he looked good 2nd fight.

      morales always struggles. he gets fat between fights.

      he was in horrible shape at 135 too. diaz/raheem. not like he looked better.

      he looked better 1st 2 pac 130 than 135 with raheem/diaz. he was real motivated after mab/raheem.

      3rd pac fight, he did some oscar ****** diet i think.
      The second fight was when Pacquiao's team came up with the great idea of weight penalties for going over the weight limit. They knew he was struggling to make weight bad. And he fought like it -- starting strong and then badly slowing. His legs were shot in those fights and I don't rank them highly at all. The fact that he struggled with David Diaz reeks. The fact that he got whitewashed by Raheem beforehand was all we needed to know though.

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        Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
        3 close fights versus frazier or 1 dominant win over say jerry quarry?
        1 dominant win over frazier.

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          Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
          you're missing the point pac had more fights with atg/hof.

          whether they were rematches or not doesn't matter.

          MORE fights vs. hofers.

          forget ****** jmm. you guys are getting all confused with pac-jmm/floyd-jmm. which are totally incomparable.

          pick any hof/atg.

          say kostya tszyu.

          what if floyd had a trilogy with kostya? say won 2 lost 1. foty level fights.

          does that hurt floyd? no.

          that's kostya tszyu.

          better than dominating gatti, sharmba, brusseles.
          The problem is you are giving him credit for the JMM1 fight- a fight he had an opponent who he was favored against down 3 times in round 1 but didn't finish him. He lost more rounds than he won in that fight.

          When Floyd fought JMM the 1st time, he won every round.

          Shouldn't the performance in the 1st JMM fight be a negative on the resume, given what happened??

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            Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
            Why do you limit the list to 9? Taking the top part of a fighters resume is only one piece.

            There are the losses and there are the garbage fights going up as well. Take the top 25 fights for each.

            Wouldn't that give a better perspective on resume?
            oh argument with hanzburger from the other thread.

            comparing just pac's 9 vs. mab/em/jmm against floyd's top 9.

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              Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
              you're missing the point pac had more fights with atg/hof.

              whether they were rematches or not doesn't matter.

              MORE fights vs. hofers.

              forget ****** jmm. you guys are getting all confused with pac-jmm/floyd-jmm. which are totally incomparable.

              pick any hof/atg.

              say kostya tszyu.

              what if floyd had a trilogy with kostya? say won 2 lost 1. foty level fights.

              does that hurt floyd? no.

              that's kostya tszyu.

              better than dominating gatti, sharmba, brusseles.
              So if floyd had fought oscar 3 times, shane 3 times, JMM 3 times (no I'm not gonna ignore JMM becaue people were claiming he couldn't operate above 140 and he did) Castillo 3 times and Cotto 3 times would his legacy be better than left as it is right now?

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                Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                oh argument with hanzburger from the other thread.

                comparing just pac's 9 vs. mab/em/jmm against floyd's top 9.
                oh, ok. I couldn't understand why you just went with 9.

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                  Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                  The problem is you are giving him credit for the JMM1 fight- a fight he had an opponent who he was favored against down 3 times in round 1 but didn't finish him. He lost more rounds than he won in that fight.

                  When Floyd fought JMM the 1st time, he won every round.

                  Shouldn't the performance in the 1st JMM fight be a negative on the resume, given what happened??
                  pac-jmm vs. floyd-jmm is not comparable. nor is it the argument.

                  1. pac-jmm are same size so it doesn't matter what weight they fight. 2. styles.

                  the argument is tough, close trilogy/quadrology vs great opp OR dominating win vs. lesser opp.

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                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                    oh, ok. I couldn't understand why you just went with 9.
                    the thread by the alt got deleted yesterday. so continued it here because hanz wouldn't give me his 9.

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                      Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                      pac-jmm vs. floyd-jmm is not comparable. nor is it the argument.

                      1. pac-jmm are same size so it doesn't matter what weight they fight. 2. styles.

                      the argument is tough, close trilogy/quadrology vs great opp OR dominating win vs. lesser opp.
                      When you say "same size" what do you mean?

                      Second. They both fought Marquez. One multiple times without a decisive victory -- although he did lose decisively. The other completely dominated. Facts.

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